wrestling vs. bjj - pros/cons

[Gumbi]

The big question here ravenzoom:

 

" but you can't really say that cage matches are like a real street fight. There are many different factors."

 

is WHY do you think that?

 

You are partially right though- I would say cage fights are actually much more difficult than a straight up street fight. You're fighting an opponent who knows your strengths, your weaknesses, and your strategy by studying numerous videos of you in action- all this besides the fact that hes also a well conditioned athlete himself.

 

So, what do you think is so drastically different?

[ravenzoom]

By external factors, I mean everything that comes with a street fight. A well conditioned MMA fighter trains and trains for one on one fights, he might be taken by surprise and not know what to do if he sees another opponent on his backside. Weapons like knives, broken beer bottles, etc. (no guns) are other factors where I believe a karate, Kung Fu guy, or whatever striker, (without forgetting Aikidi perhaps) has a better chance of getting out of this confrontation unarmed. A few punches and kicks could give him enough time and room to run (or finish him/them off). The ground is another factor. I wouldn't like to be on the ground (you don't what you'll crawl into) and the possibility of multiple attackers. I'm a grappler so this is not a biased opinion. BJJ, Judo, Wrestlers, etc. have proven to be more effective in cage matches, style VS. style, and on one on one confrontations, but in a real mean street fight I believe other martial arts could fare, if not better at least as much as those aforementioned styles

[Gumbi]

By external factors, I mean everything that comes with a street fight. A well conditioned MMA fighter trains and trains for one on one fights, he might be taken by surprise and not know what to do if he sees another opponent on his backside.

 

Ah, the multiple opponents theory- if such kung fu and karate guys had so much trouble defeating one opponent, what makes you think they can defeat two?

Weapons like knives, broken beer bottles, etc. (no guns) are other factors where I believe a karate, Kung Fu guy, or whatever striker, (without forgetting Aikidi perhaps) has a better chance of getting out of this confrontation unarmed.

 

Judo, Jiu Jitsu, Muay Thai, and Sambo all have self defense aspects of their style and are themselves heavily emphasized styles for MMA. Their weapons defenses are no more or less realistic than any other style.

The ground is another factor. I wouldn't like to be on the ground (you don't what you'll crawl into) and the possibility of multiple attackers. I'm a grappler so this is not a biased opinion. BJJ, Judo, Wrestlers, etc. have proven to be more effective in cage matches, style VS. style, and on one on one confrontations, but in a real mean street fight I believe other martial arts could fare, if not better at least as much as those aforementioned styles

 

Many people dont want to go to the ground- but theres always that "what if" part of a fight- what if you end up on the ground- you'll sure be happy you took the time to learn how to fight there.

[ravenzoom]

Gumbi wrote

Ah, the multiple opponents theory- if such kung fu and karate guys had so much trouble defeating one opponent, what makes you think they can defeat two?

 

Because your normal street fight will be most of the times against an untrained fighter. This is where I believe other arts have an advavantge when fighting more than one opponent.

 

Gumbi wrote

Judo, Jiu Jitsu, Muay Thai, and Sambo all have self defense aspects of their style and are themselves heavily emphasized styles for MMA. Their weapons defenses are no more or less realistic than any other style.

I agree, but I believe in a street fight where more than one attacker can emerge, while one being armed, Kung Fu, karate, etc, guys have a better chance of faring well because these martial arts don't concentrate solely on one on one fights. As for Muay Thai, I include this style with the strikers I'm speaking about (Kung Fu, Karate, etc.) although I am not sure this style practices any defence against an armed attacker.

 

Gumbi wrote

Many people dont want to go to the ground- but theres always that "what if" part of a fight- what if you end up on the ground- you'll sure be happy you took the time to learn how to fight there.

 

I totally agree with you

[mai tai]

as wrestling is a great side art. it can grealy improve your formability. but you neead another to go with it.

 

me. muay tai strikes.

 

bbj for ground.

 

wrestling to make it my choice if i want to be on the ground or standing up