Realistic weapons training?

[Jinxx0r]

I agree with Sauzin that what matters is the principles associated with the weapons you practice with, not the weapons in and of themselves.

 

The best real weapons to use, is everything and anything around you, either as a weapon of assault, a weapon of defense, a disruption, or a distraction. If you study the principles associated with 'traditional' weapons, you will gain an innate understanding of how to use the items that surround you on a daily basis. The pen, dresser drawer, bottle, belt, computer mouse. The cue ball, cue stick, chalk, and alcohol in a glass. The person standing next to you, the chair behind your adversary, the cute chick who wants your telephone number. All can create disruptions and distractions. All provide opportunities.

 

It is unreasonable to state that there is one specific 'type' of real weapon that should be focused on, for every 'real' encounter is unique and the circumstances in which they fall in, also unique. In the end, the most effective is to be able to adapt, improvise, and in turn... overcome.

 

great post. I never thought of it that way.

[delta1]

Yes! Yes!!! YESS!!!!!

Kobodo teaches to use a wide variety of weapons, not just because there might be a sai nearby when you get into a fight *sarcasm*, but because the principles used with these weapons can apply to a stick, a bottle, a hand, a finger, a knife, or whatever might be available. The way it works is you take a base set of weapons that teach a base set of principles and then you rely on the practicality of the principles, not the weapons. It's the principles you will have when it counts. Relying on anything makes the effectiveness of your defense reliant on the circumstance. That's not a good idea.

 

Sauzin, you are spot on! This is what I mean whenever I harp on learning principles instead of isolated moves, techniques, or weapons! American Kenpo knifework is our base techniques/movements done with a knife in your hand. Stickwork is empty hands done with more reach and articulation. The moves with a bo staff are similar to those of many other weapons, including empty hands and swords (a JMA practitioner was the first to demonstrate this to me, so I know this concept isn't unique to AK). Learn principles, not just moves, and you can use whatever you pick up! Even firearms- a lot of the principles transfer. My brohter is one of the top qualifiers at the fireing range (Sherrifs' Office) every 4 mo. And he shoots from a neutral bow! Outstanding post, Sauzin!

[MenteReligieuse]

How about those Kubutan things? They can be on keyrings. They're small and effective (you use em on pressure points). Due to their size and that they don't look so much like a weapon, they'd be quite suited for 'modern day life'

 

that is what a pocket stick is.

[Ted T.]

Didn't Musashi tell us to learn all the weapons and to chose the one appropriate for the situation??

 

Unless you must get physical with someone due to your work, the best answer to a fight offer is to get out of it. You don't want to use a weapon on anyone.

 

That leaves us with the most appropriate weapon being our mind: everyone should learn the art of verbal judo, pacifying and de-escalating techniques. The use of body language to calm the unruly, the ability to establish a quick rapport with a broad spectrum of people and the differences between acting aggressive, passive and assertive will save you from more fights than your super dooper weapon of the day.

 

Remember: Telling someone to "** off!" is not de-escalation!

 

And a last note, with thanks to Ken Cook, who said: "I am the weapon. Everything else is accessories."

[nickb123]

Kubutans are pocket stick things yep lol

[CapitalKarate]

Didn't Musashi tell us to learn all the weapons and to chose the one appropriate for the situation??

 

Unless you must get physical with someone due to your work, the best answer to a fight offer is to get out of it. You don't want to use a weapon on anyone.

 

That leaves us with the most appropriate weapon being our mind: everyone should learn the art of verbal judo, pacifying and de-escalating techniques. The use of body language to calm the unruly, the ability to establish a quick rapport with a broad spectrum of people and the differences between acting aggressive, passive and assertive will save you from more fights than your super dooper weapon of the day.

 

Remember: Telling someone to "** off!" is not de-escalation!

 

And a last note, with thanks to Ken Cook, who said: "I am the weapon. Everything else is accessories."

 

de-escalating is the way to go every time, but it won't always work. what about people high on drugs who can't feel pain or people who go out just to find someone to kill just for the pleasure of it? in those instances hands and feet most likely will not be sufficiant enough to stop your attacker because you basically need to kill them to stop them. which means you'll need to use a weapon. and i dno about you, but i'd rather go to court and pkad my case to a judge because i killed someone then die.

[Ted T.]

Ask any martial artist how many hours they have put into de-escalation training compared to years of learning how to hurt, maim or kill...

[Ted T.]

Ask any martial artist how many hours they have put into de-escalation training compared to years of learning how to hurt, maim or kill...

[delta1]

Ask any martial artist how many hours they have put into de-escalation training compared to years of learning how to hurt, maim or kill...

 

Don't get too hung up in this 'do no harm' mindset. Deescalation skills are an important adjunct, but the real focus of martial arts is to be able to defend yourself physically. Sorry, but if you want to talk him down and are not willing to hurt him if that fails, you'll do betterr taking a psych course, or learning negotiating skills. This PC garbage that it is my responsibility to win without hurting a bad guy is pure bull! It is my responsibility to go home in one piece first, to protect others second, to protect property third, and last of all to do no more harm than necessary to the b.g. And if he attacks me, I decide how much harm is necessary. The only say he has in it is if he wishes to surrender and wait quietly for the police, I'll consider whether it is bennificial for me to not break something heavy on his head. If I think he's lieing, or trying to sucker me into a state of complacency, or if I even fear that he might be able to gain the upper hand if I stop- ... . Well, it isn't exactly 'do', but it is the prudent way to make sure it's really over.

[street fighter]

Here I go again preaching the blade. Knives, pocket knives, short sticks like the kubaton or bolo, knives are scary but so is the thought of death, short stick are great if you can fing a good instructor for the weapon, it is a very effective tool for defense, aggression, and destruction and the least likey to look scary in the eyes of a jury or judge, but lets not forget we have to survive the altercation in order to make it to the judge and jury.Pocket sized is great but you must first find a real instructor who understands the real situations.