Tang Soo Do Katas/Patterns

[dingyuan]

Hi, I have a question about the Katas of Tang Soo Do, is Tang Soo Do using the same Kata as Shotokan Karate? I saw some of them like "Pyung An Cho Dan" and "Pyung An Ne Dan" they look just like Heian Shodan, Heian Nidan of Shotokan and some what resemble the Pinan Shodan and Pinan Nidan of Shorin Ryu.

[tufrthanu]

The short answer is yes. The Pyong Ans are a direct translation of the Heians/Pinans of japanese and okinawan karate. However sometimes there are tiny changes made to more closely fit the particular style.

[TSDforChrist]

Most of the changes involve the use of defensive/offensive hip and a greater emphasis on the push/pull of technique. The P'yeong'An forms were incorporated by Hwang Kee from books he studied while working for the railroad, in China. There was a library in the same building as the office in which he worked. This was after his private study, and study in China of martial arts, but prior to the independance of Korea and official formation of Tang Soo Do Moo Duk Kwan as a "registered" martial art.

[dingyuan]

That's neat, I even noticed that Tang Soo Do have some really old Karate Katas that you rarely find them in Karate today.

[Jinxx0r]

I study Soo Bahk Do, which is closely related to Tang Soo Do (I'm still not entirely sure why the name has changed). All of my training materials have Tang Soo Do/Soo Bahk Do on them. Anyway, the list of hyungs for Soo Bahk Do are:

 

Ki Cho Hyung (1-3) Il, E, Sam

 

Pyung Ahn (1-5) Cho, E, Sam, Sa O

 

Chil Sung (1-7) Il, E, Sam, Sa, O, Yuk, Chil

 

Yuk Ro (1-6) Il, E, Sam, Sa O, Yuk

 

Passai

 

Naihanji (1-3) Cho Dan, E Dan, Sam Dan

 

You have to know all these for Cho Dan (24 total). They call a few of them optional, but don't go to your Dan Shim Sa without knowing them all, hehe (at least that's what I've been told, I'm not a Cho Dan yet).

[TSDforChrist]

To the best of my knowledge, the name changed because of Hwang Kee's personal evolution of art. Within the "official" Moo Duk Kwan, the replacement of the P'yeong'an hyung with the Chilsungs and addition of the Yuk Ro hyungs, all created by Hwang Kee, began to spark changes in the style sufficient that Hwang Kee wanted a name change. He felt he had reached the next step in the evolution fo the martial art. Now, everyone didn't change, because Tang Soo Do, even MDK practitioners, were not all part of the "official" MDK. Soo Bahk Do, as a "newly-birthed" martial art, looked somewhat juvenile compared to what its parent was doing, and so those not indoctrinated in the Soo Bahk Do culture didn't make the switch. In reality, the two are even closer than TSD and TKD, but the continual evolution of the respective arts is beginning to show greater divergance. In the most non-complete and simplified summary statement, Soo Bahk Do traded Okinawan influnce for greater Chinese influence in hyungs (the Chinese influence in Kee's Chilsungs is undeniable). Time, of course, will tell how that affects the techniques and applications of the arts

[dingyuan]

So what is the thing that truly made Tang Soo Do unique from other martial arts??

 

Oh by the way, I find that quite a few Tang Soo Do people actually look down at Tae Kwon Do as they believe TKD had forgot the true meaning martial art and totally move into a sport.

[Little Dragon]

yes.

 

These days people are amused by its fancy high kicks and flips.Its also ptobably the safest MA in sparring,thats how it got into the olympics.

 

Its funny how a style that was created for military self defense turned into a television sport.

[MenteReligieuse]

Its funny how a style that was created for military self defense turned into a television sport.

Because Korea made it the national sport.

[tufrthanu]

Well I would like to say that the term Tae Kwon Do is about as relevant to a specific style as Kung Fu or Karate. A wide range of arts from traditional...to self defense...to sport are covered under the name Tae Kwon Do. For instance the style I do is fairly similar to Tang Soo Do. We do either traditional point sparring or continuous sparring.

 

As to the forms Passai...or Bassai or Bassai Dai is found in alot of forms of karate. Also Kong San Goon...that can be found under alot of names in different arts as Kouh Shan Kouh, Kusanku and Kanku Dai.