Taiji euivalent to Bagua?

[dingyuan]

No he did touch me and that's not push hand it a what they call a double hand Chi push.

[MenteReligieuse]

ok ok but explain stomping power!

[The Hammer]

Interesting subject! Firt of all, Baguazhang (there are several ways to spell it!) is not a northern version of Taijiquan, which is in itself a northern Chinese art.

 

Baguazhang is differnt from Taijiquan, but both are internal arts.

 

Stomping is used in Taijiquan, mainly in Chen style, for different purposes. For example, it may be used to initiate a jump, it may also be done to suddenly stop a movement.

 

There are many interesting websites about Baguazhang and Taijiquan. As of the latter, I recommend the following:

 

https://www.chenzhonghua.com

 

https://www.taijichinesemedicine.com

[Ted T.]

Chen also stomps at the end of a step to lower the weight and ground yourself again, a very important Chen concept.

[dingyuan]

I just saw a Liu He Ba Fa video clip online, how's it different from Tai Chi cause I don't see there's any differnce between them.

[The Hammer]

You're right, Ted.

[Zhong Gau]

I just saw a Liu He Ba Fa video clip online, how's it different from Tai Chi cause I don't see there's any differnce between them.

 

Liu He Ba Fa is an Emei Mountain form of slow Bagua. in reality it is a 'principle' and not a style as it has only two or three forms. the actual liu he ba fa form is slow and extreemly difficult, especially for men. this is because the eagle stance crosses in precarious ways for a man's comfort. the second form i know of in this principle is a snake version and is shorter in length. Helen Liang presents both in vids.

 

soft systems like tai chi and bagua generate thier power from practicing at slow and ultra slow movements beacause the slower you move the more each individual muscle fiber gets exercised. eventually your practice takes fourty-five minutes per form to perform and your combined muscle power and speed is greater than your board breaking strength ever was!

 

this is why such short movements from tai chi sifus can deliver knockdown pushes at the flick of a wrist.

[Zhong Gau]

I have a tai chi/ bagua stylized version of the seven star form that includes hang gung.

 

Liang and Tai yim have seen it on different occasions.

[delli04]

Ok... Quickly, Tai ji and Ba gua are not equivalent but they do share some major underlying principles such as relaxation and proper body mechanics to achieve whole body power. Although Tai ji is done slower, when practicing Tai ji, Ba gua or Xing yi you're focusing on the same elements. Proper body alignment, emptying the center, releasing unneeded tension etc etc..... hard to get into everything on a quick reply, but you get the idea. So with all that said they are much more similar to each other then the average person thinks...but not equivalent...

 

Bart Dellisanti

 

Sun style Ba gua and Xing yi

 

Yang style Tai ji