Taiji euivalent to Bagua?

[MenteReligieuse]

Is Bagua the northern equivalent to Taichi? I understand they are both slow practiced internal arts.

 

What are the differences and other similarities to those arts?

[ncole_91]

Never heard of them sorry...

[Ted T.]

Hi MenteReligieuse,

 

I think you may have a misconception about the nature of Bagua Zhang. It is an internal Chinese art but it is not tai chi like nor is it slow. Bagua is very circular, with circular walking and circular techniques and the "old" stories tell of old men whirling so fast their ques stood straight out behind them.

 

As for a northen Chinese art that is tai chi like, check out Lok Hup Ba Fa (Liu He Ba Fa) which looks like a tai chi form.

[Shorin Ryuu]

As mentioned, they are not exactly what I would call the same. Bagua, Xingyi and Taiji are the three internal schools of Chinese martial arts. Bagua and Xingyi are supposed to be "complements" of each other (legend has it a master of bagua and a master of xingyi fought each other for several days and became good friends, and would send their students to train in the other's art...regardless of the truth of this tale, it does illustrate a point). I believe Sun Lutang sort of combined Bagua, Xingyi and Taiji in his Sun style of Taijiquan, seeing that many of the principles between the three were similar, even if varying techniques were different or approached differently.

[dingyuan]

Hi Ted T,

 

What is "Liu He Ba Fa"? Is it same as "Xinyi Liu He Quan"?

[Ted T.]

Go here:

 

Liu He Ba Fa

 

and

 

Lok Hup

 

Ain't google great!

[dingyuan]

How can those Tai Chi guys generate so much power with their Chi press. I went to my mother's Tai Chi class yesterday and the instructor demo some double hand push move on me and that power was so great it near knocked me to the ground. How can those people have such a great power even without stomping their feet (Baji Quan way) on the ground in order to generate power?

[Ted T.]

The development of internal power is based on three things: first all the joints are stretched loosened, second, you learn how to relax totaly, and third, the whole body is taught how to act as one coordinated expression of power....ie, no one part of the body is disassociated from the power structure of the rest or is off balance or whatever.

 

I think...

 

Chen tai chi in fact does stomp wih a foot to great effect.

[ncole_91]

How can those Tai Chi guys generate so much power with their Chi press. I went to my mother's Tai Chi class yesterday and the instructor demo some double hand push move on me and that power was so great it near knocked me to the ground. How can those people have such a great power even without stomping their feet (Baji Quan way) on the ground in order to generate power?

 

Wow that is pretty cool, do you mean he didnt even touch you, because if he didnt that is incredible...

[MenteReligieuse]

Taiji push hands are with contact...the no contact push/throw/insta kill!!! is just total * that needs to be eradicated from ppl's minds!

 

Stomping generates more power than simply stepping forward at great speed?