UFC and Bruce Lee

[Bleeding Lion]

if the current top MAists cant beat guys like ed parker or bruce lee in their prime, i would really feel bad for MAs in general. These guys where the best 30-40 years ago. The process is called evolution.

[neoninja]

But fighting is still the same. We havent grown an extra arm or leg. If its evolution than why do we still learn martial arts that were developed hundreds of years ago?

[mai tai]

fighting is not the same. it has evoveled. if you are studying an art that is 100 years old and has not changed once than you are stupid.

 

the gun was developed centuries ago. we are still using guns just not in the same form.

[SevenStar]

But fighting is still the same. We havent grown an extra arm or leg. If its evolution than why do we still learn martial arts that were developed hundreds of years ago?

 

you looking at it WAY to broadly. yes, people still fight. bit fighting has changed. Back in the day, the chinese thought is was disgraceful to go to the ground. these days, it's a preferred tactic of many.

 

back in the day, most schools did not spar. these days, many do.

 

back in the day, people believed things about physical training that have been disproved by science today.

 

the list goes on. Heck, just look at MA over the past 10-12 years - the come up of grappling, the advent of mma, etc. When you get below the generic term "fighting", you see that it has changed alot.

[Muaythaiboxer]

bruce would get owned by most of todays MMA guys semply because he dident have the grapling skills that you need today. in all respect to bruce i doubt he could out strike many of them either i mean the guy had no ring fights under his belt and he dident train for MMA i personally think he would have gotten owned by people in his time (mas oyama, Ed parker, ect) not to mention numerous wrestlers, boxers and thai boxers.

[Mr. Mike]

just an opinion here, but this whole Bruce Lee thing has gotten stomped into the ground and trudged back up so many times that it's pathetic. It seems like at least every two days there's a 'Bruce vs. whomever' topic in here. Never a Jhoon Rhee, or Reyes, or Oyama, or Parker, Or Miyagi, or Funikoshi, or Yip Man, etc etc...

 

Let's just let his legacy live and remember him for what he is/was: a revolutionary martial artist who wasn't afraid to speak against conformity.

 

jeez.

[RF_Brown]

Lee would not compete in his day, as he simply was much too small. Someone like Mike Stone or even Chuck Norris would have been way too big for him to compete with. He however did do a demo at one of Ed Parker's tournaments, but that is as close to a tournament as he got.

 

RFB

[usatkdwtf]

MM Artists are NOT the best fighters. The only thing that gives the UFC creditability is BJJ. Without it they are just upper level amateur strikers.

as far as Bruce Lee goes, he would destroy them. Have you forgotten the feats of strength and technique he did? he could side kick a heavy bag and slap it against the ceiling! I gurrantee nobody has matced Bruces training schedule today.

[Gumbi]

MM Artists are NOT the best fighters. The only thing that gives the UFC creditability is BJJ. Without it they are just upper level amateur strikers.

as far as Bruce Lee goes, he would destroy them. Have you forgotten the feats of strength and technique he did? he could side kick a heavy bag and slap it against the ceiling! I gurrantee nobody has matced Bruces training schedule today.

So, without BJJ we have no UFC?

UFC is mixed martial arts. With no boxing or muay thai, its just a grappling match. As far as them being upper level "amateur" strikers, go take a look at the likes of Robbie Lawler, Vitor Belfort, and Jens Pulver. Throwing punches in a MMA match is MUCH different than throwing punches in a boxing/kickboxing match.

As far as Bruce is concerned, I think the UFC is what he eventually had in mind. Before his death, Bruce was intrigued by groundfighting and was working extensively in Judo.

Would he have done well against guys similar to his weight? Absolutely- you could call Bruce the first real mixed martial artist- he could punch, kick, execute takedowns, and use submission holds. He even stated what the UFC eventually proved- you only need to know wrestling and boxing to be a formidable opponent for any martial artist.

Bear in mind though, the first UFC's had no weight classes, and Bruce was 135lbs. A great fighter, but do not underestimate the great advantage that size gives a person in a fight.

[usatkdwtf]

I think over the years Bruce Lee has been shaded to dull. I have never, in my 21 years in MA, seen anybody even coming close to what Bruce Lee could do.

If you dont know what Im talking about, you should do indepth research about his ABILITIES.

I have never met anyone as fast, as dedicated to workout, as strong in fighting, as what I see from Bruce lee.

p.s. Im not talking about the movies. he could do sitting V's for 30 min at a time. thats where he would sit down, push his butt off the ground wit his hands, with his legs straight and off the ground. He then would brng his legs up to a 45 degree angle and hold that position for 30 min or longer.

You should try it. I can even get my legs at a angle, much less hold my bodyweight off the ground from that position for any amout of time.

Its crazy and Bruce Lee was crazy good.