Jiu Jitsu and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu

[username9]

BJJ is more similar to Judo because it basically came FROM Judo.

 

Not it isn't - I recently read an article that interviewed Carlos Gracie Jr. He said (and he should know) that they started teaching JJJ to his father - then after the war they wanted to keep it more of a secret and said : "Hey - why don't you learn the 'new ju jitsu' it is called Judo" and Carlos said he wanted to carry on learning traditional Ju jitsu.

 

Then he went on and developed his own style...BJJ.

 

Try going to http://www.gracieacademy.com/ or http://bjj.org

 

That is where the original style is talked about.

 

Judo is basically a sport version of ju jitsu - all the most "deadly" moves have been removed from the system.

[Shane]

Judo came from Jujitsu.

 

Jagaro Kano was a Jujitsu practictioner from my understanding a Jujitsu Master. He wanted to develop a method of training that would be more safe and allow for sport. Back then Jujitsu was in no way for sport it was developed from combat and was brutal, just training it was brutal it still can be today hahahaha, Anyways Judo came from Jujitsu, and you can totally see that its roots are jujitsu orientated, they have cut out the leg locks and dont train with strikes and kicks its about the sport, but can be very useful in self defense.

 

anyways Judo came from Jujitsu as did BJJ. They are simlar but different in many ways. Heck there are so many version of Jujitsu out there its just awsome. Back in the day of the Samurai warrior when Jujitsu was used as the secondary art of the warrior next to the weapon arts, there was over 700 versions of Jujitsu in Japan. So think about it that was before it was introduced to the rest of the world. So now there would be thousands of versions out there all with similar techniques, traditions etc. and some very different techniques, traditions etc.

[Vito]

hey Cross-

 

just curious, what "tactics" do you not agree with?

[cross]

hey Cross-

 

just curious, what "tactics" do you not agree with?

 

Im not sure if tactics is the right word, thats why i used the "". Maybe strategy is a better word.

 

Anyway, the things from bjj i dont agree with are mainly the emphasis on submissions. I train specifically for self-defence and i personally prefer striking wheather it be stand-up or on the ground. So i like the positioning and control bjj teaches, but i personally would prefer to use that position and control to strike rather than go for a sub.

[Gumbi]

What's the difference? I hear a lot of talk of JJ and BJJ, and a large amount of BJJ practitioners seem to think it's superior....so, what are the major differences between the two? I might be looking to study one of them in the future, and I'm just curious which would be better for me. Thanks in advance.

 

Well, there is alot more history to be read in to as to how BJJ exactly came about, but thats an entirely different topic altogether. I'll try to point out the major differences between just about any JJJ and BJJ, if you've ever read Renzo Gracie's book.

 

1: emphasis on live sparring in BJJ- this doesnt happen in JJJ, or if it does it only occurs at the higher belt levels, simply because JJJ has many "dangerous" tactics that can not be used against a sparring partner for fear of serious injury. As a result, BJJ practicioners get to apply their techniques against resisting opponents much more often, as they dont use tactics like eye gouges, throat strikes, biting, and the like.

 

2:differences in joint locks- just about every joint lock in BJJ is in JJJ, but just because its in the curriculum doesnt mean that its being taught, or that the instructors even know alot about it. I've noticed that alot of JJJ schools put emphasis on small joint manipulation (finger locks, wrist locks) whereas BJJ focuses on large joint manipulation (elbow locks, knee locks). Many of the techniques in JJJ require much more fine motor movements as well (finger locks, throat/eye strikes), whereas most of the techniques in BJJ require gross motor movements (armbars, RNC, kneebars). Fine motor movements require small muscles, like in your hands and fingers for instance, whereas gross motor movements require larger muscles, such as your back and shoulders. Threading a needle is an example of fine motor movement, swinging a baseball bat is an example of gross motor movement.

 

3: lack of overall strategy in JJJ- JJJ technically could be considered a complete style, since it includes strikes, throws, and groundwork. Problem is theres never any overall fight strategy taught, but rather just a serious of tricks and moves to use in various scenarios. BJJ teaches an overall fight strategy that can be seen by all practioners and in BJJ tournaments. There is a clear heirarchy of positions that one tries to achieve and points are rewarded for getting those positions. Strategy involves chaining moves and using combos. Personal experience has shown that the JJJ black belts I've known/fought lacked any type of chaining of moves, even at the most basic level.

 

I think thats the most that come to mind, unless I happen to think of any other in the future.

[Kreisi]

when i was in JJ we learned a lots and lots of self-defence that we could use on the streets. It was mainly that because i live in the europes most violent country Finland and in its most violent town Salo!

[Kreisi]

in jj you can hit on the ground in a competition if you both are black belt