Punchdrunk Posted January 2, 2002 Posted January 2, 2002 Here's one of those unprovable debate topics. Who would win in a no hold bars fight, Bruce Lee or Mas Oyama? Despite Kyokushin's restrictive sparring techniques it seems that Oyama had as eclectic an approach to how he fought and what styles he learned as Lee's Jeet Kun Do only much earleir in the game. Who had the most fights against the best opposition? Who's training was more fanatical?Does Oyama's longevity help or hurt his case? Should he be disqualified for cruelty to animals? I'm a karateka so I'm going with Oyama Not 'cause I think I'm right . I just want to stir up some trouble. Osu! One cannot choose to be passive without the option to be aggressive.
Iron Arahat Posted January 2, 2002 Posted January 2, 2002 Mas Oyama has more document matches than Bruce. Oyama also trained in Judo (crosstraining in the 1940's imagine that). The bull fighting I have heard conflicting stories, to the fact the bulls were tied up when he chopped off their horns. Also the one punch and kill of a bull has also been told as tied down, but also free and running. Based on evidence I would say Mas Oyama would win (this coming from a chinese stylist)... I would also say that Oyama's training was more fanatical than that of Bruce... Bruce wanted to be a movie star more than anything...Oyama just wanted to challange his martial abilities... Martial Arts School http://www.shaolinwushu.cahttp://www.liveyyc.comCalgary Photographer: http://www.jdirom.com
Punchdrunk Posted January 3, 2002 Author Posted January 3, 2002 Thanks for the reply Iron. I'm impressed with your impartiality. I admit I was hoping for some more rabid Leeophites. Oyama's years of solitude in mountain training, practice of inviting fighters of all styles from around the world to train with him and compete in full contact bouts, plus the bonus of being able to do fingertip rather than hand stands. What has Bruce got to compete? Or should the Karateka just declare victory right now? One cannot choose to be passive without the option to be aggressive.
thaiboxerken Posted January 3, 2002 Posted January 3, 2002 Lee had many streetfights that weren't documented, so his actual fighting ability is questionable. But other martial artists, such as Chuck Norris, Ed Parker and Inosanto, have testified that Lee was freaky-fast and powerful. Lee also had a pretty good Judo and Grappling background, as he had trained with Gene LeBelle. Both martial artists were eclectic in their approach, but I would have to place my bets on Lee. Lee trained more for function where Oyama trained for "inner spirit". Just kick 'em, they'll understand.- Me Apprentice Instructor under Guro Inosanto in Jun Fan Gung Fu and Filipinno Martial arts.Certified Instructor of Frank Cucci's Linxx system of martial arts.
Punchdrunk Posted January 3, 2002 Author Posted January 3, 2002 Thanks, Thaiboxeren. Mentioning Judo Gene LaBelle males me think of another odd fantasy match: Judo Gene LaBelle vs Sakuraba Talk about your way out techniques and old scholl vs new. Osu! One cannot choose to be passive without the option to be aggressive.
ChangWuJi Posted January 3, 2002 Posted January 3, 2002 Mas Oyama was amazing. That guy killed Bulls with a single punch, he was in Thailand fighting thai fighters at one point, after fighting a guy known as Black Cobra he went to Hong Kong and fought an old Taiji master. That's the only fight he admits to losing. Saying he just couldn't touch the Tai Chi guy. "There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level."
Punchdrunk Posted January 5, 2002 Author Posted January 5, 2002 ChangWuJi, is that Tai Chi story on another thread in this forum? It sounds familiar. By the way your application of Tai Chi post is very impressive. It certainly changed my view of that art. Osu! One cannot choose to be passive without the option to be aggressive.
ChangWuJi Posted January 6, 2002 Posted January 6, 2002 On 2002-01-05 18:56, Punchdrunk wrote: ChangWuJi, is that Tai Chi story on another thread in this forum? It sounds familiar. By the way your application of Tai Chi post is very impressive. It certainly changed my view of that art. Osu! I posted the story I read from the book on some other forums. "There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level."
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