TheDevilAside Posted October 24, 2004 Posted October 24, 2004 I used to brag about my fights a lot. Now, I only brag about the injuries I've sustained "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill
AngelaG Posted October 24, 2004 Author Posted October 24, 2004 The whole point of karate is to teach humility and to build up a better character.It may be true that you and your club believe this ... but, sadly, it would be naïve to assume that this was every karateka's point of view. Precisely my point. I know it isn't every karateka's point of view, but IMO it SHOULD BE every karateka's point of view. If we are learning dangerous and/or deadly techniques it our RESPONSIBILTY to use this knowledge wisely! Tokonkai Karate-do Instructorhttp://www.karateresource.com Kata, Bunkai, Articles, Reviews, History, Uncovering the Myths, Discussion Forum
White Warlock Posted October 24, 2004 Posted October 24, 2004 It is also important to realize that karate is not the only martial art being studied out there. Humility, for example, is not ingrained in boxers, wrestlers, or some other sport-inclined martial arts. I know i've mentioned many of my personal experiences here on these boards. I've enjoyed sharing them, not as a means to buff my validity, or brag about my skills, but as a means to give example to various discussions brought forth. I mean, we can speculate, and then we can examine actual instances. I think sharing of experiences is a productive action, in that we can all learn from each other, but i do agree that some have posted here as a means to brag... or to insinuate their being tough. Always a tad disconcerting, but in these actions as well, there is an opportunity to learn. For if we feel such is wrong, or improper, then we can reaffirm that our training is working well to become a mindset. I.e., everything that everyone does... is a means to learn. It is not necessary to be dismayed, or even disgusted, when in the examination you come through with a grain of knowledge. "When you are able to take the keys from my hand, you will be ready to drive." - Shaolin DMV TestIntro
Vito Posted October 24, 2004 Posted October 24, 2004 i can tell you that personally, im not proud to get into a fight (unless it was actually a noble cause)... im just proud that i won the fight. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." -Machiavelli
longarm25 Posted October 24, 2004 Posted October 24, 2004 The whole point of karate is to teach humility and to build up a better character.It may be true that you and your club believe this ... but, sadly, it would be naïve to assume that this was every karateka's point of view. Precisely my point. I know it isn't every karateka's point of view, but IMO it SHOULD BE every karateka's point of view. If we are learning dangerous and/or deadly techniques it our RESPONSIBILTY to use this knowledge wisely!It should be used wisley the whole foundation of Karate is conflict deescalation. there is a saying "if your hand lashes out hold your temper if your temper lashes out hold your hand" ps dont forget as a MA the courts will hold you to a higher standard than the general public. PhilRyu Kyu Christian Karate Federation"Do not be dependent on others for your improvement. Pay respect to God and Buddhabut do not reley on them." Musashi
Logan Posted October 25, 2004 Posted October 25, 2004 It is true that certian aspect of martial arts isn't taught iin every discipline. I think humility is taught to some degree in boxing and wrestling and other sports. If it is not, Why? You are training your body and mind to exceed the levels of your normal people. You should be taught to not use these skills so readily on the general public. IMO any MA that goes into a bar or anywhere else and intentionally picks a fight with someone is a coward. You are picking a fight with someone you presume does not know as much as you do. If that was not your intent you would seek out other MA's. I do not find anything wrong with relaying your experiences if you were honestly attacked. You should feel a certain amount of pride for defending your self. Continue on your path AngelaG. It is refreshing. Honor all things.
White Warlock Posted October 26, 2004 Posted October 26, 2004 You should be taught to not use these skills so readily on the general public. But that is not humility. That's common sense. In this day and age, with powerful concealed weapons and a high degree of enforcement on violent crimes, it's simply not smart to smack someone, start a fight, or even overdefend yourself. "When you are able to take the keys from my hand, you will be ready to drive." - Shaolin DMV TestIntro
Master Jules Posted October 26, 2004 Posted October 26, 2004 I may be guilty of relaying stories concerning fights Ive been in at bars.....BUT.......and this is a big but.......its my job, not my pleasure. As a bouncer, Im not what youd call a "big guy"....6'1" 205 lbs.....some of the guys I work with are as tall as 6'9", and some as big as 350 lbs.....THATS big......due to my size ( or relative lack thereof ), I am the guy who gets "tested" frequently.......I dont like to hurt people, even though Ive been training for 30+ years to do just that. Ive become more "fond" of using my grappling skills to choke someone out, rather than knock their teeth through their feet......either way......I never "enjoy" a fight, and I would prefer NOT to be in one. I generally never "start" a fight, but I will go on the offensive and attack, if it is for a "noble cause", as someone said earlier. ~Master Jules......aka "The Sandman""I may be a trained killer......but Im really a nice guy"
Logan Posted October 26, 2004 Posted October 26, 2004 I too have been in a profession where fighting was a possibility every night. I worked security at an arena. There were concerts, rodeos, and professional wrestling all the time. Sometimes I was forced into an altercation. I have even gone offensive. Lots of times, just the show of aggressive behavior will keep you out of aggression. "Who wants to fight a crazy person?" Mohammed Ali Honor all things.
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