Whats your way of punching?

[dippedappe]

First thing I would say is that this question it to all Martial Arts fighters.

 

I had two free lessons in Wing Tsun and it was a disaster. The teacher was an idiot and he had misunderstood a LOT of things about martial arts.

 

He was very violent to the students. To show me how to "really" punch, he hit me in my throat. He said that blocking was an illusion, and that you would have to hit from the centerline and throw you arm out til it says some really unhealthy sounds. By that he said that you should just throw your Punch without using your shoulders, hips or foots. so I said "Wheres the power in that?" You will have to get you whole body behind it to hit with power and to penetrate.

 

BUT you also should stop your punch right before you elbow says click. But that I wants so sure about. Maybe there was a way to stretch your arm out all the way without hurting it.

 

I told him that he was wrong and then he said that I should use my Kung Fu on him. I hated him sure, but this was just ridiculous. Anyway he hitted me two times, the second time I blocked and broke his nose good. I mean indicated that I could break his nose of cause . Then the fight started. I kept indicating where I would have hit him(I wouldnt hurt him of cause), but he kept hitting me if I didnt parried him(he had no defense...dont know why). He was violent and childish that stupid little f... I REALLY hated him after that .

 

Now I dont have anything against all you who studies Wing Chun, and I dont know very much about it.

 

 

 

But he raised a question. How do your school punch. And Im talking about all schools off martial art, not just Wing Chun.

 

Are you teached to stop your punch right before for your elbow says click?

 

Or do you do the opposite and stretch you arm out completely?

 

Do you use your whole body to get power to you punch?

 

Or hits without your body behind it?

 

Do you go down in stance to get power?

 

Or do you just punch where you are standing at the moment?

 

Do you hit with loose arm and first tighten your arm at the moment of the impact to get more speed?

 

Or do you hit with a loose fist and then tighten it in the moment of the impact? Or do you do both?

 

Do you hit with a tightened arm and fist the whole punching moment?

 

Do you hit with flowing movements?

 

Or do you hit with a first fist-hit-back-stop-second fist-hit-back-stop robot like movement?

 

My purpose is just to get a larger view of the different forms of punching so that my way of punching doesnt become the Gospel truth that you cannot change.

[Shane]

First we have several different types of strikes that use different techniques but as far as our basick punch (cross)

 

Are you teached to stop your punch right before for your elbow says click?

 

Yes we do not allow our elbow to fully extend, but you only stop it just prior to full extension, this is for the safety of your own elbow. I am a firm believer in putting your body into your punch, generating force from the ground up. Coming up onto the ball of your rear foot, turning your hips into it, and your shoulder all of this allows you to generate much more power than just striking without using your body mechanics.

 

I myself do not tighten up until impact, but I show both methods and allow my students to work both, majority go with loose until impact due to the fact that a lot of things can happen inbetween punches hahaha most learn the hard way hahaha.

 

It is a good idea to train striking from other positions rather than your fighting stance, because on the street your not always going to even have a chance to take up your stance.

 

Mix It UP for training, thats always a good idea but some ways are better than others.

 

Good Post

[dippedappe]

Thanks

 

I have read in "TAO of Jeet Kune Do". That one should only tighten ones fist in the moment of the impact. You will get more speed by hitting with relative loos arm, and then only tighten it in the moment of the impact to get more speed and that means more power, and then you will hit several inches behind the target that way.

 

My style teaches you to first turn your feet then your hips and your shoulders always follow the hips, Then go down in stance and make a flowing circle like movement with your arms. I thinks that how it should be said.

[cross]

But he raised a question. How do your school punch. And Im talking about all schools off martial art, not just Wing Chun.

 

At my school we punch with both 3/4 turned and vertical fists depending on whats best for the situation.

Are you teached to stop your punch right before for your elbow says click?

 

Or do you do the opposite and stretch you arm out completely?

 

We are taught to finish the punching movement by stopping it with our muscles, not our elbow joint, so no damage is done to the joints. This means that during each punch the arm is always slighting bent.

Do you use your whole body to get power to you punch?

 

Yes, we practise getting has much power as possible which means putting your body behind the technique.

Do you go down in stance to get power?

 

Or do you just punch where you are standing at the moment?

 

In basic training we use lower stances to learn the full range of motion for the technique and practise proper body mechanics. This then transfers to whatever position you find yourself in.

Do you hit with loose arm and first tighten your arm at the moment of the impact to get more speed?

 

Idealy we punch with relaxed muscles until the moment of impact, but this is not always possible.

Do you hit with flowing movements?

 

Or do you hit with a first fist-hit-back-stop-second fist-hit-back-stop robot like movement?

 

Both, "flowing robot" type movements in basic training . And then flowing movements in application.

[dippedappe]

 

So far so good .

 

You 2 comes with much more detailed answers than I. But thats good.

 

Maybe I should practice a few more yeas and then reply to this post again after that .

[Drunken Monkey]

who did you have your free lessons with?

[dippedappe]

who did you have your free lessons with?

 

Someone whos name was Bong . Stupid name for a stupid guy.

[xiong chuan]

I was recently taught the beginnings of iron ring punching from the goat trapping stance. The simultaneous trapping and punching is amazing. I can't wait to work on it further.

[dippedappe]

Couldnt you write it a little more detailed. It sounds cool. Goat stance, a little weird name but probably nice enough.

 

I learned poon sau(at-least I thinks it was called that. so many saus in it) from a wing chun book. Its about trapping the opponents hands, it was great!

[Drunken Monkey]

"I told him that he was wrong"

 

hmm, a student telling the instructor he was wrong.

 

correction.

 

a NEW student telling the instructor he was wrong.

 

what was that i hear about empty cup....?

 

anyway.

 

"he said that you should just throw your Punch without using your shoulders, hips or foots"

 

this is almost true.

 

the punching motion in wing chun does not rely on the body moving at the same time (kinda... something i'd need to show you in person).

 

it relies on the structure of the body to be correct.

 

the wing chun punch DOES use the shoulder, and hip and foot.

 

in fact it uses, in asending order;

 

ankle, knee, hip, shoulder, elbow and wrist.

 

BUT

 

like i said, the punch is 'performed' independently of the body structure

 

(which is trained to be always 'on': hence independent of the punch)

 

when you combine the punching mechanics with footwork, turning/torquing is added to the mix.

 

BUT

 

that is just the mecahnics behind the basic punch.

 

in practice, we punch from where-ever the hand is

 

(which just happens to be normally near the centre....)

 

not sure what else to say (without falling foul to trollish comments....) except that you said it was wing tsun.

 

as in leung ting/keith kernspecht's organisation.

 

they're not the most respected of wing chun guys out there.

 

but then again, i have no idea what wing chun you have access to so i can't recommend any point of comparison.

 

see, i can (almost) be diplomatic when i want to.....