help on essay

[Maddwraph]

thanks a lot guys, i actually didnt get to rea most of the replies since the webstie was working for me, but i took the test tues and the little i read helped a lot. thanks a lot ofr the replies

[Shorin Ryuu]

It isn't 'mob' review. It is review by a jury, selected from voters (not drivers!) , which is empanneled to consider evidence and find a verdict. These people are considered responsible enough to determine the fate of another human being, so surely they are responsiale enough to determine the applicability of the law in that persons case.

 

I did read that link you supplied before I wrote my response to that post, and I must say it was quite interesting. At any rate, I'm just saying that even some members of the voting population aren't exactly what I would call responsible enough to determine the applicability of the law BEYOND that person's case, which is what is at stake here in terms of jury nullification in it's fully developed form, which is the angle I am addressing the issue from. Perhaps that is where we think we have a variance of opinion? I thought it was already pretty much obvious about the power of a jury over application of a law to individuals in certain cases (although the efforts of many people to go out of their way NOT to inform you of the necessarily full implications of it was something I wasn't really aware of).

 

Granted, the members of the voting population are certainly more apt to be educated about issues than non-members, but there are still a huge demographic of ignorant voters out there...I support the right of everyone to vote, I just wish they would vote responsibly. Besides, in some places, jury selection may be a mixture of registered voters and driver's license holders, maybe just registered voters and in some places, only those that actually voted in the last presidential election. There is also a vast difference between registered voters and regular voters, in my mind (especially if you count the difference between "registered voters" and "people that actually exist" .

 

This is surfacing on another issue altogether, but it shares my worry over what I had alluded to earlier, which is that of "mob" legislation. But, this in and of itself is pretty complicated. For example, if I was totally against it all, I would have a very harsh view of propositions, but I'm still sort of in the middle on that issue. Whatever.

 

Great topic. I enjoy the debate (and the full and total hijacking of the thread).

[delta1]

...I'm just saying that even some members of the voting population aren't exactly what I would call responsible enough to determine the applicability of the law BEYOND that person's case, which is what is at stake here in terms of jury nullification in it's fully developed form,...Granted, the members of the voting population are certainly more apt to be educated about issues than non-members, but there are still a huge demographic of ignorant voters out there...I support the right of everyone to vote, I just wish they would vote responsibly...

 

Ok, I see where the misunderstanding is. The jury can not actually determine applicability of any law except in the one specific case they are empanneled to consider. To completely nullify any law, it would take enough different jurries ruling against it to convince the legislature that the law needs to be reconsidered and either changed or thrown out. But it is still the legislature's responsibility to actually change the law (or leave it intact), not the jurries. Of course, as you brought up, there is still the initiative process.

 

Jury duty was tied to voting rights for a specific reason. Jury duty is a function of your voting rights and responsibilities. The vote, including jury duty, is the peoples check on government! This is why I broke the topic out of the three branches. We review the other two branches at election time, or dureing a recall vote. The judicial branch reviews the laws, but we review the judicial branch directly through the court process, including the law and their interpretation of that law!.

 

As to universal voting rights, I don't believe in this at all. Originally, only the male land owners could vote. They were considered to be the best educated and had the highest stake in government at the time. That would be a little extreme today, when we have better communication and universal (ahem) education. But i still think there should be limmits. A voter should have to be able to read and write in English, be an upstanding citizen (no polls in prisons), and a taxpayer (much as I dislike the IRS). But, that is my opinion.

 

As for hijacking the thread, I think this discussion is more than germain to his original question. But we may be starting to drift a little too far into political views. Hard not to with this topic.Good discussion, though.

[Maddwraph]

if you enjoyed this topic, then myabe next essay topic ill come back hehe

[battousai16]

well, as long as y'all helped the other fellow...

 

i have this essay for vietnam history... and to clear up any misconceptions, that's on the history of the vietnam war, not the history of the country. i know it's called the american war in vietnam, i dunno what the rest of the world calls it, or if they even concern themselves with it. at any rate, the paper can be on anything at all concerning the war, as long as it's not to vague. so... now i have no idea what to write about. any suggestions?

[Shorin Ryuu]

I know special operations is an interesting topic during the Vietnam War...for example, they were restricted from starting an insurgency movement in North Vietnam, so they "faked one", captured North Vietnamese soldiers, took them to fake Northern resistance camps (actually just places in South Vietnam), even parachuted blocks of ice into North Vietnam so that it looked like people left their parachutes...that sort of thing.

 

There's a lot of simply interesting stuff in regards to special operations, special operations intelligence, and all that.

 

There's also a lot of POW stuff written. Some of them, like Robbie Risner's book are very good reads.

 

Anyway, you can literally write about anything: reasons it started, conduct of the war, effect of "x" on the war (aerial bombing, opposition on the home front, communist aid, etc.), POW's, guerrila warfare...the list goes on.

 

You just have to choose something that interests you...

[delta1]

Well, that should be a calm, nonpolitical topic for discussion!!! Contact the Swift Boat Vets and find out what the effect of the protests here at home had on the war.

 

To get a feel for the warriors view, I'd recomend watching 'We Were Soldiers' with Mel Gibson, and 'Return With Honor', narrated by Tom Hanks. The second is a documentary. The first is one of the best movies I've ever seen to tell the truth about a part of that war. Niether is political in any way, but both will make an impact on how you view the service, and those who serve. They will provide a mental and emotional reference for you when you start digging through the lies and propoganda that obfuscate that war and the sacrifices of those who fought it.

[delta1]

Thought of a couple of unique angles for a paper if you don't want to get bogged down in the protests.

 

Research Robert McNamara. He was Secretary of Defense under Nixon, and him and his 'Whiz Kidds' were the first generation of computer geeks in cabinette level positions. Pioneers in some ways, but they also did a lot of dammage. For instance, their only interest was the 'bottom line', and their refusal to listen to experience was legendary. When the M-16 came out, they cut every corner they could to save money. The military told them that they needed to chrome the chamber of all military rifles. They refused, saying the cost was prohibitive, and a lot of American servicemen were killed as a result.

 

Another topic might be a comparison of the primary service rifles of both sides at the time. The National Rifle Association would be a good source for this topic. Or possibly just focus on the developement of the M-16, the reasoning and concepts behind it.

[battousai16]

well thanks y'all; i know i can write about anything, that's the trouble. it's a bit overwhelming, but i think i got a topic