Whats Real Combative Arts Training

[Shane]

Whats Real Combative Arts Training?

 

Okay Let us know what your opinion is on what is real (true) combative arts training. OKay very brief when I was in the Infantry we trained for combat. We trained with long range weapons, small arms weapons, explosives, beyonets(fixed & non fixed), hand to hand defensive tactics and ofcourse combat tactics to go with each of the above specialized training. So thats a full load of training for warfare, now lets put this into a self-defense training environment non military but covering the same areas.

 

Long Range: Your Kicks, some strikes

 

Short Range: Strikes, some kicks, Knees, elbows

 

Trapping Range:Foot stomps, some strikes, knees, elbows, locks, throws

 

takedowns, chokes

 

Grappling Range:Ground Techniques

 

Weapons defense: training against weapon attacks (several variations)

 

Weapons Training: Training to use weapons

 

To me all of the above needs to be a part of training at a minimum to be a real combative art. I mean anything can happen in a combat (self defense ) situation so you need to be prepared for anything and that means being very well rounded.

 

LET US KNOW WHAT YOU THINK

[Fat Donkey]

Yeah but didn't u forget the two most important ones a: Situational awareness/state of mind. and b: conditioning. I mean as a soldier didn't they teach u how to behave first (ie follow orders) and get u in shape before they handed u a weapon. I've been meeting a lot of MA's crazies lately from modern dojo's who've never learned how to behave but train in everything you've listed. They're the rude invincible types. Next r the fat black belts who know every technique in the book but can't climb a flight of stairs. Also, isn't the intent/motivation of the warrior the weapon and not the techniques/arsenal. Example: who would u rather face, a 200lb Green Beret or a 110lb woman who thinks you've kidnapped her baby?

[Shane]

Fat Donkey must be one of those closed minded traditional folk who I feel sorry for sometimes. But dont worry I get over it fast!

 

And for the record a good instructor inbeds into your head Situational awareness/state of mind training while covering all aspects of training.

[Fat Donkey]

Wrong again dude, gave up traditional MA's long ago! Also what did I say to tick u off? I agree with everything u said in terms of techniques but my point is without the proper psychological state of mind behind those techniques they r like bullets without gunpowder. So easy on the condescension and heavy on the conversation.

[Vito]

first of fall, the philosphy i go by is that there are two basic types of fighting- grappling and striking. in striking, i only see two ranges- within striking range and out of it (too far away). movements happen so fast trying to break it down further is really a waste of time. as far as grappling goes, its either stand up or ground. classifying it further is needlessly complicated.

 

also, why does situational awareness qualify as part of martial arts? i thought martial arts was about fighting, common sense and life experience tells you when a fight is on the way.

 

one more thing- i dont know what that question is supposed to mean, though im pretty sure it has a stupid point.... id rather face the woman than the green beret, because i could take her on more easily. (???)

[Shane]

Fat Donkey if I took you wrong then sorry.

 

Good Post Vito

[delta1]

Shane, good analogy. But the large one is correct- there is more to combative/defensive martial arts than the fighting techniques, and you can't just assume these things are being taught any more than the things you listed. Mindset and awareness must be developed just like fighting skills. I'd also add that ALL of this ammounts to bumpkiss until you've trained it spontaneously under real force.

 

Vito, philosophically, once engaged in seriouse combat, there is only the fight. Ranges and situations change so fast that 'out of range' becomes meaningless. You could even say that, from the moment one person makes up his mind to hurt another, there is no range- even if they are on different continents! But that's practical philosophy. In training and understanding, there are as many ranges as you want to break it down to. Out, long, medium, short, standup grappling, and ground all have different sets of weapons and tactics.

 

Situational awareness is a large part of both fighting and self defense, and consequently the martial arts. I know one exceptional martial artist, and a veteran fighter, who got sucker punched leaving a bar. Had his jaw wired up for weeks, because he was caught unaware for a brief moment.

 

I would not be so cavalier about the woman who has lost her baby, either. You've obviously never seen a woman defend her child before!

 

Fat Donkey- don't let this go to your head, bud! Trust me, it's a real effort to agree with you!

[Fat Donkey]

Oh My God! I think that the first sign of the apocalypse is upon us when Delta1 agrees with me. And hey Shane no problem. To clarify my point let me ask u what the army did for u: Was it the techniques they taught u or the confidence they inspired in u that made u dangerous?

[Shane]

Lets keep the posts coming I"m interested in hearing what others have to say.

 

Thanks

[Vito]

that was actually my point with striking. because ranges change so quick, punching vs kicking ranger is meaningless. why i said in or out is because either theyre figthing you and near enough to be hit, or too far away in which case theyre running away, coming at you, or youre running away.