The famous John wayne/Heymaker/roundhouse punches

[dear john]

every person i have ever talked to, from wing chun to jujitsu to taekwondo to boxers. they all say that it is the worst kind of punch to throw.

 

so why in the world do you see it nearly 75% of the time in the UFC no holds bar competitions? if you watch the video "UFC's greatest knockouts", you will see a good 75% of the guys who did the punching throw these heymakers. i thought they were suppose to be the most skilled fighters alive.

 

any comments as to why these so called horrible techniques are working?

[cross]

If you are talking about over-hands then the reason they work is because they are usually setup by other techniques. Or are used when the

 

opponent is worn-out or has a laps in concentration.

[SevenStar]

not the overhand, the haymaker - it's like a hook punch, but at a wider angle.

 

the reason it's said to be a "bad" punch is because of the wide arc - it's easily telegraphed and you may end up damaging yourself as you may strike with the wrong part of the fist or with improper structure and break something.

 

However, the punch can generate a lot of power. It's definintely KO producing.

 

As for why you see fighters in mma using it, many of these guys aren't strikers - they are grapplers with some limited striking training. Look at some of the guys that are strikers who crosstrain in grappling - mo smith, vitor, silva, cro cop, lidell... I think you'll see more straight punches and hooks coming from them. you also have to consider the situation - they are trying to knock the hell out of eachother. They are using whatever they have to to hit him first. If that punch is a haymaker, then so be it.

[Fat Donkey]

As u said these r some of the top fighters in the world so their speed and timing are tops and so is their haymaker. What u should keep in mind though is that most people arent as good or fast. A good example is sparring with rookies who throw the wild punches; how many get through? how quickly do they get tired? It is however a punch u should practice as it's great for finishing off a failing opponent and hard to beat for sheer power

[Shorin Ryuu]

Well, in terms of sheer power, there is a difference between a properly executed hook and the haymaker they are talking about. These wild haymakers have much less power then a properly executed hook. The damage from the hook comes from proper torque and the angle of the strike placed on the head, which causes it to move to the side rather than back. This movement to the side is harder to recover from in most people, as the body is designed to take on head-on strikes better than others.

[SevenStar]

I dunno... the hook isn't really a power shot per se. The effectivieness of the hook is in the fact that it causes that head snap which rattles your brain.

[Shane]

Isss That Youu John Wayynnne!!

 

Gotta love those action shots

[Shorin Ryuu]

I dunno... the hook isn't really a power shot per se. The effectivieness of the hook is in the fact that it causes that head snap which rattles your brain.

 

Which is what I said here:

The damage from the hook comes from proper torque and the angle of the strike placed on the head, which causes it to move to the side rather than back. This movement to the side is harder to recover from in most people, as the body is designed to take on head-on strikes better than others.

 

And yes, there is a difference between power and pure strength.

[longarm25]

ahhh glass jaw