Question

[Drunken Monkey]

you mean,

 

we're not saying what you want us to say so you're gonna go?

 

but of course, for someone who's done talking, you had to have the final word....

 

[gcav]

Is he is taking his toys and going home?

[Shorinryu Sensei]

Some people just don't like hearing the truth because it's not what they wanted to hear.

[longarm25]

I hate when I dont get my way too.

[TeaL]

For martial artists you certinly are childish,

 

Your not reading what im sauing, your just going "Look! its a new guy proposing a diffrent idea, lets ban together and mock him!"

 

I wasnt saying, and i clearfyed this several times, i dont want to/blieve i should skip the basics. Im saying, in the dojo near me, white/yellow belts ONLY learn the basics, which i have learned twice now, pretty recently, i dont wish to just learn them for the year i am here, and then have to quit when i leave.

 

Maybe i can use an exmaple for certin dolts who dont understand:

 

Ive been snowboarding 10 years, the basics are VERY important, i practice them all the time.

 

But I dont waste my time when i goto a new mountin only going down the bunny slope, i want to board new terrians, and challenges. Im not a perfect snowbaorder, but im respectable, and i choose to go down 1x2 black diamonds, because they challenge me.

 

that make it through your cloud of ignorance?

 

sorry if i was to hazy?

[thaiboxerken]

I think we understand what your saying, we just don't agree. If you think you're gonna be bored, don't go to the school. You could suck up your pride and go to the beginner classes. If you really do have them down, then maybe the instructor will see it and allow you to move up the ladder.

[Drunken Monkey]

i dont want to/blieve i should skip the basics

 

no... you just don't want to wear a white belt again....

 

hmm, so now you take to personally insulting us.

 

in any case, you're not proposing anything new

 

and that's kind of the point.

 

there's a few of us here that have tuaght or do teach both on a professional and on a purely enjoyment level.

 

i think they all have a lot more experience in teaching and learning than you do

 

and have heard the things you say before, time and time again.

 

and you example is wrong.

 

what you are still doing is snowboarding.

 

even though the mountain is different, what/how you do things doesn't change.

 

here, in terms of martial arts, you are talking about different styles that do things diferently.

 

in terms of martial arts, the fight=the mountain.

 

let's see, if you were to try to ski on the same mountain would you bother learning the basics of skiing?

 

or just assume that your snowboarding basics would do....?

[TeaL]

i dont want to/blieve i should skip the basics

 

no... you just don't want to wear a white belt again....

 

hmm, so now you take to personally insulting us.

 

in any case, you're not proposing anything new

 

and that's kind of the point.

 

there's a few of us here that have tuaght or do teach both on a professional and on a purely enjoyment level.

 

i think they all have a lot more experience in teaching and learning than you do

 

and have heard the things you say before, time and time again.

 

and you example is wrong.

 

what you are still doing is snowboarding.

 

even though the mountain is different, what/how you do things doesn't change.

 

here, in terms of martial arts, you are talking about different styles that do things diferently.

 

in terms of martial arts, the fight=the mountain.

 

let's see, if you were to try to ski on the same mountain would you bother learning the basics of skiing?

 

or just assume that your snowboarding basics would do....?

 

Its a TSD dojo, which as i said ive attended before.

 

They relaly dont care how good you are, just time.

[Drunken Monkey]

so if that's the case then why even bother asking?

 

jut leave and find somewhere else.

 

but where-ever you go you would most probably be 'tested'.

 

any old joe can go and say they've had x number of years of experience.

 

it holds true especially for the lower belts.

 

when you have a class with kids that are younger than you who are all graded higher than you.

 

most people would balk at the idea of being 'inferior' to a little kid.

 

but the point is, at ANY class, even of the same style, you should start at the beginning.

 

it just prevents problems in the long term.

[Shorinryu Sensei]

Let me see if I can put this in a way that you'll understrand from my own experience.

 

I've been in instructor of the martial arts since September of 1978...long before your parents probably even met, let alone you were born. Duringthat trime, I have had many people come into my dojo that had prior experience in other arts, including TKD, TSD, Kempo, Kungfu, judo, etc. Ranks of these people were from still white belts, to 2nd degree black belts (TKD). Some of these people wanted to start out as other than white belts..but most accepted the fact that what I was going to teach them was different than what they had learned previously.

 

For example, the 2nd degree black belt in TKD. He wanted to start out as a 1st degree...possibly he'd "settle" for a brown belt in my system, because he felt taht his 8 years of TKD was a sufficient base that he didn't need to know the basics of Shorinryu.

 

I said OK...if you can do the basics like we do the basics (blocks, kicks, punches)..I'd go for that. We started out with the blocks. Each and every one of his blocks was wrong (as we do them), from the actual execution of the block, to the final placement of the arm. I showed him the reason we did our blocks the way that we do them...and he couldn't argue with me.

 

Kicks..same thing. He wasn't chambering any of his kicks to the knee first..had absolutly no power behind any of them, and was jsut plain sloppy by my standards.

 

His stances were way to wide for what we do...he couldn't step the way that we do...,and I could go on and on. You get the idea.

 

This 2nd degree TKD black belt accepted that he didn't know even our most basic white belt level techniques, let alone any of our more advanced techniques...so why should I give him anything other than a white belt?

 

Yes, he stayed in the class for about a year, and yes, he advanced faster than your average student during that year...as yo umay also. But what you're failing to unbderstand is that you want to skip the funbdamentals of a system and dive right in ot the "good stuff". It's good to want to do that, but not good to skip the fundamentals of a syste

 

Now, if you already have a good foundation in TSD, yand already knowthe basics of it...the instructor shoudl see that and move you up accordingly. Maybe not in belt colors...but allowing you to progress quicker to the advanced techniques.