nfl2k2 Posted September 28, 2004 Author Posted September 28, 2004 I've only been going for a month or so, they charge $35/semester (6mo) so I might as well sign up and find out for myself if I will like it or not. When you guys say kata, you mean we do sequential moves over and over instead of sparring right? I don't think the club has insurance, so sparring is prohibited. I do see the blackbelts trade puches and kicks, but only 3/4 speed and without trying to hurt the other person.
thaiboxerken Posted September 28, 2004 Posted September 28, 2004 when I mean kata, i mean sequential moves done in the air. Just kick 'em, they'll understand.- Me Apprentice Instructor under Guro Inosanto in Jun Fan Gung Fu and Filipinno Martial arts.Certified Instructor of Frank Cucci's Linxx system of martial arts.
Shane Posted September 28, 2004 Posted September 28, 2004 Well the price is cheap, but you know sometimes you get what you pay for. I wont down talk kata, but I will say that you need more than just kata to learn self defense. Sparring plays a major roll in learning practical self defense and should not be reserved only for black belts. By the time someone reaches black belt they should have been sparring for years. Anyways good luck but You might want to venture out to check some other schools out. A True Martial Arts Instructor is more of a guide than anything, on your way to developing the warrior within yourself!!!!!
P.A.L Posted September 28, 2004 Posted September 28, 2004 Kata or Form is a back bone to any martial art, without form you will end up to muai thai or kickboxing, if you are looking at martial art as a long way to for rest of your life need a basic style , kickboxing or MT are good as long as your young and fast ,what you gonna do at 60-70's , the value of kata is here ,you learn the technique through kata and you can do it at your pace. there is a long history and meaning behind it which is called Bunkai(application). 70 years ago ,students of goju ryu had to practice "Sanchin"(breathing/body conditioning kata) for at least one year. now if you like to spar from begining you can go with Kyukoshin karate which is a semi-full contact(no glove, no punch to head, no hit on groin, no joint). When I said goju ryu is solid, I meant the root and history of goju ryu is so deep that nobody can make fun of it but fools. depend on your school after some times they let you to spar with control like punch with open hand not with seikens just to give you sense of timming and distancing. I think self defence is part of karate or anyself other martial art and you will learn it sooner or later. take care.
thaiboxerken Posted September 28, 2004 Posted September 28, 2004 PAL. Muay Thai IS a martial art. I also train in several other systems of martial arts and I have yet to do "KATA". So your claim that it is the backbone to any martial art is simply wrong. Body mechanics is the backbone to martial arts. Just kick 'em, they'll understand.- Me Apprentice Instructor under Guro Inosanto in Jun Fan Gung Fu and Filipinno Martial arts.Certified Instructor of Frank Cucci's Linxx system of martial arts.
thaiboxerken Posted September 28, 2004 Posted September 28, 2004 BTW. Guro Inosanto is almost 70 and still trains in Muay Thai. The body mechanics involved work whether you're old or young. Just kick 'em, they'll understand.- Me Apprentice Instructor under Guro Inosanto in Jun Fan Gung Fu and Filipinno Martial arts.Certified Instructor of Frank Cucci's Linxx system of martial arts.
Shane Posted September 28, 2004 Posted September 28, 2004 You know thaiboxerken is right. When your older kata is not your only option left. I understand that at some point you your training may not be as intense but you can still train. I have seen a few of the traditional artists try to down talk some of the arts without kata. Somepeople choose to do them and other choose not to. I use to train with them and now I choose not to, I dont down talk them but I do know that you need more than only kata. A True Martial Arts Instructor is more of a guide than anything, on your way to developing the warrior within yourself!!!!!
P.A.L Posted September 28, 2004 Posted September 28, 2004 my forum bodies thaiboxerken and shane I am agree and disagree with some parts of your posts, but from other hand there is no absolute right or wrong in this subject and we wont be able to convince each other so I am gonna have to stop. nfl2k2 I forgot greeting you, sorry. Welcome to the forum.
Shane Posted September 28, 2004 Posted September 28, 2004 P.A.L Now I agree with you hahaha. There is probably hundreds of things that we could go back and forth on with no right or wrong. Anyways thats part of what keeps us training and learning. A True Martial Arts Instructor is more of a guide than anything, on your way to developing the warrior within yourself!!!!!
Master Jules Posted September 29, 2004 Posted September 29, 2004 From 30 years of training, in many styles, Goju ryu is the most complete system I have ever seen....provided you have a knowledgeable instructor.....It has everything from punches and kicks to stand up grappling and ground grappling, locks, throws, internal chi gung....the list goes on.....I saw in another post that you thought Goju has no defense against weapons...lol.....it sure does.....examine the history of the art......when the satsuma clan invaded Okinawa in the mid 1600's....they outlawed all weapons, as well as the open practice of the arts.....the Okinawans learned to use all of the farming tools as weapons. IE....the bo, tonfa, sai, nunchaku, Ikabo (oar)....etc.....the system teaches defenses against weapons....trust me on that......someone also downplayed the constant practice of Kata......lol.....dont they realize that the TRUE secrets of the system are contained WITHIN the kata ?????? Note, however, that when I mean you "know" a kata.....Im not just talking about the sequence of movements.....Im talking about KNOWING the kata....IE: bunkai, kaisai, oyo, two man form......LEARN THE KATA......YOULL LEARN THE SYSTEM........and the secrets. Contact me privately, and we can talk at length. ~Master Jules......aka "The Sandman""I may be a trained killer......but Im really a nice guy"
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