Defending yourself with a knife!?

[Vito]

"pointy end goes into the other man"

 

-antonio banderas, zoro

[47MartialMan]

"pointy end goes into the other man"

 

-antonio banderas, zoro

 

Arrg....for a moment I thought you were talking "strange" , until I read antonio banderas, zoro-quote.

[Ted T.]

LEt me try to be more clear:

 

"soul" damage or damage to your character is the least of it. If the killing is sanctioned by self defence or by being a soldier, cop etc, of course it is muchless tho not always as we know.

 

but if you are an ordinary citizen, not street hardened, not a social enemy, and you cut/kill someone you will: lose years of income to lawyers fees, be put on public display in court any number of times, spend a variable length of time in jail depending on your finances where you will have to 'befriend' some people you would never have to taked to before, just to survive, your life and relationships with friends and family will be aired in public over and over and over - you will become a spectacle.

 

I'm sure each of you could add something to this list and this may all happen even if you are eventually found not guilty.

 

If the family sues you, you will loose your chance to go to college, your chance to own your own home etc, or you will have a bancrupcy on your history. You choices will be different than they were before...

 

A judo man in town here walked away from a bully in a bar but got jumped outside. He threw the idiot over his shulder, broke his neck (accidentally) and he died. He spent months in jail. His family morgaged their house to make bail and to pay the defence fees. The media made a circus of his life and his girlfriend. After 4 or 5 years he was declared innocent by s-d but he was by then clinicly (sp?) depressed, couldn't hold a job, and left his girlfriend and family and left town.

 

Use a knife and all this will be much, much worse.

 

That's my point... If you think the nice policeman at the scene will say, "there, there, obvious s-d, go home, we'll have some questions in a day or so, stay cool", you watch too much tv.

[JerryLove]

Much of what you say can be established empircally as non-universal.

 

Heck, I can think back readily to a case that did manage the news. A guy in Texas one halloween. He had a Japanese exchange student, in a costume, who did not speak English well and had gone ot the wrong house for a party.

 

The man came out of his front door with a handgun and shot the confused 14-year-old in his front lawn, killing him.

 

Let me reiterate. He shot a minor, who obviously did not speak English well, who had made no threats, who had not even made it to his front door.

 

He did not spend a single night in jail, and was aquited by a jury.

 

I'm also reminded of a pair of burglars doing home invasions in Kentucky. One night, the owner of the house they had decided to break into opened fire and killed one. When asked how he felt he responded "I feel bad that i didn't get them both".

 

And youare confusing "jail" and "prison". Jail sucks, but does not have nearly the events you are implicating.

 

BTW, I've already completed college and already own my on home. I'm not sure how I could therefore loose my chance to.

That's my point... If you think the nice policeman at the scene will say, "there, there, obvious s-d, go home, we'll have some questions in a day or so, stay cool", you watch too much tv.

 

If I end up in a fight, it's because I could not avoid it. If I kill someone, it's because I felt in fear for m life and was forced into confontation.

 

I'd rather not end up spending years in court over it, but it's a possability. I have no idea who you are writing to. If they had a choice in the matter and chose to kill someone, they deserve to spend their life in prison. If they did not have a choice, then they did not have a choice... and your nay-saying is irrellevent.

[47MartialMan]

Much of what you say can be established empircally as non-universal.

 

I was thinking almost the same. The big "if" scenario

 

Heck, I can think back readily to a case that did manage the news. A guy in Texas one halloween. He had a Japanese exchange student, in a costume, who did not speak English well and had gone ot the wrong house for a party.

 

The man came out of his front door with a handgun and shot the confused 14-year-old in his front lawn, killing him.

 

Let me reiterate. He shot a minor, who obviously did not speak English well, who had made no threats, who had not even made it to his front door.

 

He did not spend a single night in jail, and was aquited by a jury.

 

I remember this well.

 

I'm also reminded of a pair of burglars doing home invasions in Kentucky. One night, the owner of the house they had decided to break into opened fire and killed one. When asked how he felt he responded "I feel bad that i didn't get them both".

 

And youare confusing "jail" and "prison". Jail sucks, but does not have nearly the events you are implicating.

 

Yes, pending on the situation, a judge will let you out based upon any other offenses you may or may not have had in the past. Of course, you couldn't "skip" town before the trial.

 

BTW, I've already completed college and already own my on home. I'm not sure how I could therefore loose my chance to.

 

Perhaps loosing your home or second mortgage it to pay for legal expenses.

That's my point... If you think the nice policeman at the scene will say, "there, there, obvious s-d, go home, we'll have some questions in a day or so, stay cool", you watch too much tv.

 

If I end up in a fight, it's because I could not avoid it. If I kill someone, it's because I felt in fear for my life and was forced into confontation.

 

Yes, most courts would rule in favor for SD. I have to agree that if I kill, it would have to be kill or be killed.

 

I'd rather not end up spending years in court over it, but it's a possability. I have no idea who you are writing to. If they had a choice in the matter and chose to kill someone, they deserve to spend their life in prison. If they did not have a choice, then they did not have a choice... and your nay-saying is irrellevent.

 

But is the discussion on kniving someone that isn't armed? Or against someone that is armed? Is it disarming some with a knife and using the knife on them? What are the specifics per each encounter? Plus, it is all conjecture.

[street fighter]

Wow such passion and from so many directions. A knife is a serious weapon and should have good sense in control of it but when you can no longer avoid and have only one choice choose life and kill the f'er if you feel your life hangs in the balance. Always try to avoid beyond that survive and never underestimate. Come on guys dont get to touchy feely for the bad guys, if hes trying to fight ya more than likey the accident could be you dieing why take a chance.

[JerryLove]

In Florida, the rules are clear.

 

You must have exausted all reasonable avenues of escape, unless you are within your own home or place of work (castle doctorine).

 

You may use deadly force to prevent a forcible felony, or when there is reasonable fear of immenant death of deadly harm.

[street fighter]

It seems the passion has died, shame. Post guy if you are going to carry a blade and intend it to be a means of self-defense do yourself a favor learn how to use it. Knoweldge is a powerful tool and in learning the art and reality of knife fighting you will be less apt to deploy a blade except in times of dire need. If you need to see the potential of edged weapons watch Cold Steel's videos and the meat cutting sections, it will be a taste of the reality and the damage a blade can inflict. All of the legal advise you have been given by others is probably good advice but rememeber in the end SURVIVE the encounter.

[Gilbert]

if you use the knife to stab. grab it reverse. kinda like the ninja grabs a sword. the knife blunt side on your forearm. if you stab the ribs, stab the knife in sideways...so it wont get stuck in the ribs.

 

there many ways to defend against a knife attack.

 

if he comes straigt in to your stomach area redirect his energy to the ground.

 

when he is coming in. move in and palms together to grab his wrist with the knife and pull down moving your center down. causing him to fall.

[street fighter]

if you use the knife to stab. grab it reverse. kinda like the ninja grabs a sword. the knife blunt side on your forearm. if you stab the ribs, stab the knife in sideways...so it wont get stuck in the ribs.

 

there many ways to defend against a knife attack.

 

if he comes straigt in to your stomach area redirect his energy to the ground.

 

when he is coming in. move in and palms together to grab his wrist with the knife and pull down moving your center down. causing him to fall.

What?