KI internal energy.....

[47MartialMan]

And there I am what?

 

If "proving it to me" is the criteria for reality, then chi (whatever it may be) exists. That is to say, some of the energy-work that would fall under the "can't be done" moniker for your average skeptic has indeed been proven to my satisfaction.

 

That what I mean, there yor are with your deductive, rational, rssponse

[JerryLove]

What would that "energy-work" be?

To use a clear example, I can sense (I miss stuff, but have not been know to find false positives) physical problems without contact. I can often work and them and can typically tell wheather that work has done good before asking the subject.

[thaiboxerken]

Jerry, if you do what you claim, you can become a millionaire. You are in Florida too, so it's not too far to get to the JREF foundation. Randi has tested claims just like yours before.

 

What you claim to be able to do is scientifically testable. https://www.randi.org

[47MartialMan]

What would that "energy-work" be?

To use a clear example, I can sense physical problems without contact.

 

Please explain a little futher-what kind of physical probems?.

 

(I miss stuff, but have not been know to find false positives)

 

Ditto

 

I can often work and them and can typically tell wheather that work has done good before asking the subject.

 

Ditto

[JerryLove]

Jerry, if you do what you claim, you can become a millionaire.

 

Somehow, I doubt it. If I could flip switches through glass or something like that, I'd make an attempt. One could apologize what I do away... I certainly did until I tested where I was the one doing it.

Please explain a little futher-what kind of physical probems?.

 

Usually things which are painful or uncomrotable. strains, sprains, and injuries... that kind of stuff. Off my current GF, my first few months with her, I was pulling off what I can only describe as "emotional baggage", which gave her more than a few physical symptoms.

Ditto

 

I've had someone who (for example) had a sore shoulder tat I didn't feel anything on... I've never felt someone to have a sore shoulder who didn't really have one.

Ditto

If I think I've managed to make it better through work, I usually have. Sometimes I think I have not succeeded in helping, but have been told that I did.

[Sasori_Te]

I've looked a little closer at his web site and the application form. James Randi is not a scientist, nor is he or any of his representatives unbiased when it comes to observing. They make their money by "debunking" claims of the paranormal and extraordinary. Hmmm, what would it do to his foundation, not to mention his reputation if he were ever "proven" wrong? Seeing that he has the most to lose by a successful demonstration and seeing the limitations that he sets on his application, I'm not surprised that no one has ever passed his muster before. They never will. Especially no martial arts claims, as most of these demonstrations would encompass 2 people. No demonstration can be done that might cause harm to another individual. It's worded very carefully for maximum interpretability. James Randi uses the precept called Occam's razor by the scientific community..it refers to the idea that the simplest solution is more likely when all other things are equal. Except that all things are hardly ever equal. Not to mention that James Randi is not a person of science. He is a layperson, a magician, that has used his understanding of magic tricks to explain away a lot of other things that he has no true knowledge of. Did I mention that he has figured out a way to make a lot of money doing this?

[JerryLove]

It would have to be absurdly unequivicable... You would essentailly have to move objects (not influnece their movement, but actually move them) through walls... and even then, you may have to sue him.

 

Worse, the "magician's setup" can work both ways. Imagine you can, for example, flip a light-switch through glass at 20ft. How many optial illusions could make it appear a switch was there when it was not? How many different ways could one make a light-switch unswitchable (lock it in place)?

 

He has moeny, fame, and his career as a debunker on the line. Would it really surprise anyone that youwould have to prove *despite* him?

[thaiboxerken]

I've looked a little closer at his web site and the application form. James Randi is not a scientist, nor is he or any of his representatives unbiased when it comes to observing.

 

True, he makes no qualms about it either. This is why claimants have often brought lawyers with them to the tests. So far, the failures of the testees have been so bad that the lawyers haven't even tried to file suit.

They make their money by "debunking" claims of the paranormal and extraordinary.

 

False, the foundation makes money from giving lectures, selling books and donations.

Hmmm, what would it do to his foundation, not to mention his reputation if he were ever "proven" wrong?

 

I think the foundation would grow in fame, and Randi would be happy. After the challenge is won, then science could investigate the source of these paranormal abilities and the nature of them. Randi might even get grants from the government to help further test more and more people. Really, Randi would lose the million but it's likely that it would bankrupt him. However, even if it did.. wouldn't it be a good thing to bankrupt these "evil" skeptics?

Seeing that he has the most to lose by a successful demonstration and seeing the limitations that he sets on his application, I'm not surprised that no one has ever passed his muster before. They never will.

 

I agree with you for different reasons. I think no one will ever pass because people can't do what they claim. The test is designed and agreed upon by both Randi and the Challenger. There is no judgement involved, results must be selfevident. Lawyers and third party observers may be brought by the challenger, if they so wish. You seem to imply that there is some dishonesty in the challenge when it's obvious that such dishonesty has been guarded against.

Especially no martial arts claims, as most of these demonstrations would encompass 2 people. No demonstration can be done that might cause harm to another individual.

 

Someone here claims to be able to diagnose medical problems by touch alone. That can be tested and does not cause harm to individuals. Also, many martial art demonstrations are done so that individuals cannot be harmed, right?

It's worded very carefully for maximum interpretability. James Randi uses the precept called Occam's razor by the scientific community..it refers to the idea that the simplest solution is more likely when all other things are equal. Except that all things are hardly ever equal.

 

It simply means to try and find the simplest solution. If your cake disappears and you see a guy with icing on his lips, do you conclude that demons must've come from the depths of hell and stole the cake, or that maybe the guy with the icing on his lips ate the last piece?

Not to mention that James Randi is not a person of science. He is a layperson, a magician, that has used his understanding of magic tricks to explain away a lot of other things that he has no true knowledge of. Did I mention that he has figured out a way to make a lot of money doing this?

 

He is a magician, a person that has an expertise on trickery. His expertise is used to ensure that people don't cheat during these tests. He also has done extensive research on the paranormal and understands that most of the tricks done by people are just tricks.

 

Oh, and how much money has James Randi made from his work? You say alot, so you must know, right?

[thaiboxerken]

It would have to be absurdly unequivicable... You would essentailly have to move objects (not influnece their movement, but actually move them) through walls... and even then, you may have to sue him.

 

How would you measure "influence of movement"? You're right, you may have to sue him.. but that situation hasn't come up yet. Everyone that has tried the test was either caught cheating, or their powers simply disappeared when cheating was guarded against.

Worse, the "magician's setup" can work both ways. Imagine you can, for example, flip a light-switch through glass at 20ft. How many optial illusions could make it appear a switch was there when it was not? How many different ways could one make a light-switch unswitchable (lock it in place)?

 

You imply outright dishonesty. It could happen, but Randi also sets up the protocols so that it's not possible for Randi to cheat the other way. He has even left the test area at the request of the challengers as well.

He has moeny, fame, and his career as a debunker on the line. Would it really surprise anyone that youwould have to prove *despite* him?

 

I'm sure he'd be willing to change his career as a debunker if someone with actual powers showed him that they were real powers. Psychics make a heck of alot more money than Randi, and tend to be more famous.

 

Really, you make up very lame excuses for not taking the Randi challenge. Why don't you just come out and say that you have some doubts about your claims instead of this meager attempt to discredit the JREF and James Randi?

[thaiboxerken]

http://www.dryqwong.com/kungfu/videos.shtml

 

Are these the kind of things that a true "Ki" "Chi" practitioner can do?