KI internal energy.....

[47MartialMan]

Yes, he could have set it up.

 

I had did the same. It is easy to do.

 

Now let me bring my OWN candle and choose the environment.

[47MartialMan]

Seems like we are caught up in a difference of definitions of 'ki'. As I have stated before, I do not think it's something super natural or magical, just something that exists in all of us and is something we can each develop to its fullest potential. From your posts, seems like you've been doing research for decades... Save yourself some aggravation, hop on a plane and come to Japan for a few days. Visit a couple of dojos, see what they are doing and formulate your opinion from first hand experience. I’ve read that you have been to many demos and have been refused to participate or test what is being demonstrated, which is truly sad. Here in Japan, all questions and challenges are willingly accepted. PM me if you are serious about you research….

 

I dont refuse to participate anything. I have tested much. And until now, I cannot believe it.

 

But, as I must state, as I had always stated:

 

My "book is not closed on it".

 

And how is myself, in going to PM you, defines my research as being other than serious? What possible conclusion from the PM will determine if I am or am not serious? The fact that I PM gives you evidence that I am serious? Or does it give you a method for me to be curious enough to read, in detail what you have to say?

 

I choose to PM you. PM is on the way

[thaiboxerken]

It depends on who and what. If I'm sitting at Carrabas with some martial arts instructor, and he says "watch this" and puts out the candle 3 tables away, I'm not goaing to assume he knew where lunch would be in advance and setup a trick at Carrabbas.

 

And that is exactly what a good magician would want you to assume as well.

[47MartialMan]

Yes, a magician would "set" up the performance. Street magic, is not really new. It was happening in the early 1900's to earn money. A street magician, has his area, assistants, "by standers" and "tricks" set strategically.

 

It is what as called as "the stage is set"

[JerryLove]

Yes, he could have set it up.

 

It's pretty contextual... and an awful lot of effort to go through for somthing I will catch him at later.

 

Yes, if someone says "I'll put out a cnadle or the seminar is free" to get me to bring him down, I'm gonna be more suspicious than if we decide where to go eat (usually a last-minute discussion, or something the host has picked), and then the conversation comes up and the guest does it.

 

Of course, having brought your own candle, the guy could have an infra-red laster imbedded in his lapel and a guy remotely working it to take out the candle wick on cue.

 

There has to be a limit to how much certainty you can demand in a given experiement, and that's pretty subjective.

 

Remember the magician in the 70s who was getting creidited by major universities for showing proven psycic talents under lab conditions... right up until, when asked how he did it, he said "I fake it".

And that is exactly what a good magician would want you to assume as well.

It's not an assumption so much as a judgement. Believe me, I've had more than one charlitan try... and the things I've defended as real are primarily things I can do or feel directly.

[thaiboxerken]

If you know a person that can put out candles using his "ki", feel free in saying so. Or was that just a hypothetical?

[JerryLove]

It's a hypothetical... I know a few people who have made the claim, but none have ever proven it to me. If I do get it proven to me, I'll let you know

[47MartialMan]

And there you are.

[JerryLove]

And there I am what?

 

If "proving it to me" is the criteria for reality, then chi (whatever it may be) exists. That is to say, some of the energy-work that would fall under the "can't be done" moniker for your average skeptic has indeed been proven to my satisfaction.

[thaiboxerken]

What would that "energy-work" be?