JEM618 Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Is it ki, or the ability to control the mentality? Or is it experience? And, he was your instructor. Experienced by many years. And he had seen and know of your abilities. He maybe a "natural" fight tactician. What he did to me or demonstrated was just 20 minutes after meeting me for the first time, he is now, and until he dies, my teacher. You could say yes, but are there any 50 or 60 year olds at your gym? Yes. And I had the pleasure of working out with a 71 year old Grandmaster. No Ki there. Probably the "key" to revise his method(s) as he aged. Well, I know in some martial arts, it's possible to continue practice well after 'retirement age' what I was saying is that you don't see 65 year old kick boxers... Sorry, I cannot "completely" believe in KI/Chi existence. Up until now, demos that I had personally witnessed, I can disprove. I completely agree with you and your perception of KI/Chi existence. I know that most of what is seen is easily disproved. I only wish you could meet my teacher! But I look forward to discussing it more. I have 10 years worth of stories to share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47MartialMan Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 What he did to me or demonstrated was just 20 minutes after meeting me for the first time, he is now, and until he dies, my teacher. Then your experience was not on par with his. A large percent of the tome, a student will net best his instructor. Well, I know in some martial arts, it's possible to continue practice well after 'retirement age' what I was saying is that you don't see 65 year old kick boxers... I would almost agree. Kickboxing as most is known, is realtively "new" I completely agree with you and your perception of KI/Chi existence. I know that most of what is seen is easily disproved. I only wish you could meet my teacher! But I look forward to discussing it more. I have 10 years worth of stories to share. And like I state, and continue until to, is that I have not closed the book, or close the search on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HumanTyphoon Posted September 24, 2004 Share Posted September 24, 2004 Well I think "ki" can be another way of just saying plain energy and since it was developed fully in the past first before any science came to the land, people probably explained the physicalness of doing something with reverse joints or something as ki. Example is what someone said earlier about that guy Gilbert's unbendable arm thing, it probably is a muscle trick in which you make it where you can't contract your muscles (or something like that). Though we can explain it through here as something we know from science, back then there was no official way of having science education, so what we know as science was probably reffered to back then as ki. The thing can also be for other things as well, instead of science, it could be and include other things as well, psychology, stregnth training, etc. Then again, I don't know, it's what I sort of think, go ahead and say what you want. If you take a crooked path and have to go through a cliff. Either hope there is a bridge, or learn to fly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47MartialMan Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 HumanTyphoon, Thta is a interesting way of putting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Warlock Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Ki is not an English word, and therefore does not hold an English translation. What is needed, is someone to translate the word into something in English, and then we can continue to discuss it from there. Otherwise, a ki is a ki is a ki. Oop, just realized... i need to pee. "When you are able to take the keys from my hand, you will be ready to drive." - Shaolin DMV TestIntro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47MartialMan Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 Dont forget to use you KI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEM618 Posted September 25, 2004 Share Posted September 25, 2004 For starters, you can look here: http://www.karateforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=13239 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaiboxerken Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 I know where you can claim one million dollars if you can simply show that Ki is a reality. Just kick 'em, they'll understand.- Me Apprentice Instructor under Guro Inosanto in Jun Fan Gung Fu and Filipinno Martial arts.Certified Instructor of Frank Cucci's Linxx system of martial arts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JEM618 Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 I know where you can claim one million dollars if you can simply show that Ki is a reality. Evidently you did not read or comprehend the link in the post above. So pedantic; check the dictionary. 1. . The vital principle or animating force within living beings. b. Incorporeal consciousness. 2. . The part of a human associated with the mind, will, and feelings: Though unable to join us today, they are with us in spirit. b. The essential nature of a person or group. 3. A person as characterized by a stated quality: He is a proud spirit. 4. a. An inclination or tendency of a specified kind: Her actions show a generous spirit. b. A causative, activating, or essential principle: The couple's engagement was announced in a joyous spirit. 5. spirits A mood or an emotional state: The guests were in high spirits. His sour spirits put a damper on the gathering. 6. A particular mood or an emotional state characterized by vigor and animation: sang with spirit. 7. Strong loyalty or dedication: team spirit. I cannot see electricity, but I can understand its principle and see it exists through the result of its power. Light bulbs light up, electric motors run, etc. Try to understand ‘ki’ not as something supernatural but as defined as above in #1 & 2. After practicing for over 9 years now, maybe I could try to explain it as attitude, or intention, nither of which you can actually see but both very real. – If you search some of my posts, and read about one of the experiences I had maybe you could understand. (I worked out with a man 27 years my senior, 6 inches shorter, and 50 pound lighter and got my butt kicked by him. Simple logic would tell you that the younger man (me) would have had the advantage but it didn’t work that way. – He told me he used ‘ki’ to defeat me. – In that context we could say that it was ‘mind over matter’, or a positive attitude, or confidence.) Ki is nothing more the combining your mental and physical strength for a total that is greater than the sum of its parts. Have you ever seen a small guy square off with a big guy and shrink in fear just because of his opponent’s physical size, then get his butt kicked? Negative ‘ki’… Have you ever seen a small guy square off with a big guy and be totally relaxed and focused and go on to win the match? Positive ‘ki’… It common sense, not worth a million dollars, but invaluable in daily life. The million dollar prize is for something supernatural – moving objects with out touching them or shooting lightning out of you’re a$$. It will never happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47MartialMan Posted September 27, 2004 Share Posted September 27, 2004 I know where you can claim one million dollars if you can simply show that Ki is a reality. Where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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