KI internal energy.....

[Shorin Ryuu]

How old are you, Gilbert? I was just curious, since you type like a 14-year-old.

 

I don't want to be a big grammar nazi or anything, nor can I force you to type in completely correct sentences all the time (I don't do that either). It just helps your argument when you sound like you have a firm grasp of the language.

 

Note: My apologies to foreigners or people who simply don't waste, I mean spend a lot of time typing like me...

 

Edit: I'm honestly not making fun of you...I just think people might take your posts more seriously if you phrased them more coherently beyond a simple stream-of-consciousness style that makes you come across as someone with very little experience or only a basic understanding of martial arts. You may not be, but that is merely my impression.

 

Of course, one day I hope to be as good as I hope I sound sometimes...

[White Warlock]

This thread is bothering me, so let me interject.

 

Gilbert, if someone disagrees with something you say, it's not necessary to insult them. This also goes contrary to aikido principles.

 

Moving on, you described three 'tricks' that have been commonly demonstrated as arguments for the existence of ki, but can you describe what ki is, rather than generally define it as the ambiguous "internal energy?" Also, you've explained the application of tricks that could very well be explained by a simple examination of physics, so i'm wondering if you can 'pinpoint' at what juncture 'ki' is being applied in your three examples.

 

Now for corrections/comments:

 

Unbendable Arm

 

In one example, you explained the application of the unbendable arm. You stated that 'thinking' it's not going to bend will essentially prevent the person from bending it, while strength would not be as effective. That is not actually the correct approach, and attempting such will still allow the person to bend the arm. One is reactive power, while the other is committed power. Both fail... for they are based on the idea that such things are stagnant, or stationary. Ki is often expressed as 'energy' and is described as 'flowing.' In order to apply the unbendable arm correctly, one needs to visualize a torrent of energy flowing through the arm to a point in the horizon.

 

As to whether this is ki, or whether it is visualization techniques... is a debatable point. Without the ability to provide concrete data of the former, we must defer to the latter as the most likely.

 

Immovable Object

 

In the second example, you posed the common trick of immovability.

 

When someone attempts to push you, he is capable of driving himself towards you in any way he wishes, which gives him 'control' and allows him to direct his efforts towards your center, thus knocking you over.

 

However, when you put force on their elbows, you are taking their control away. You are able to redirect their focus slightly up, or to the sides. Doing so means the person pushing must attempt to compensate, or fall off balance. What you are doing here is not making yourself immoble, but unbalancing the other opponent as he attempts to push against you. It is the same, if not as exagerrated, principle as someone pushing against a closed door and then another person opening that door while the other is pushing. Whoop! There he goes!

 

An even better example would be that of pushing against a globe. If you push to the center of the globe, it will topple over. But, if you push to the sides, it will rotate on its axis.

 

Again, the question of 'where' ki is being implemented here is sought. Since we are bipedal creatures, it takes a lot for us to push something AND stay balanced. It takes only a little bit of physics to exploit this.

 

Cheerios

 

For lack of a better name, the O example you posed follows the same principles as the unbendable arm. I.e., see above.

 

As to ki, there's a nice thread in this forum that i was involved in just a few weeks ago. Does anyone remember where it is and can possibly provide a link to it?

[Master Jules]

S Ryu and WW......I agree with you completely.......

[JerryLove]

However, when you put force on their elbows, you are taking their control away. You are able to redirect their focus slightly up, or to the sides. [/qoute]

 

There is an exercise called 'feeding the root" that teaches directing force into the ground. I could do a limited verson of "immoveable" without putting my hands on them (they are welcome to push on me)...

 

That said, I'm not claiming it a chi trick so much as a structure trick.

Edited September 22, 2004 by JerryLove

[Gilbert]

well look, first of all, this computer stuff aint my thing.....and im no 14 yr old kid.....its not that im telling people off, but one should not speak or make fun of something he doesnt believe....i do know about the art of peace and how to live in harmony.

 

its just that ive never liked when someone says that this style is no good.

 

or that this is better than that.

 

like bruce lee....they used to make fun of him....he use to go to other shcools and try to show something more better but they wouldnt believe him or just throw a laugh at him. and what happened in the end....he was the best fighter i have ever seen till now.

 

as the typing goes....look....ive seen so many others type worse than i did.(there just mistakes...because sometimes its difficult to type down something you want to explain).

 

as the ki goes......all im gonna say now is that its all in the mind.

 

i will say no more.... plz note if someone who really wants to know how to use ki ask me or email me...at ldoubleg@hotmail.com.

 

forgive me if there was an insult.

[JerryLove]

its just that ive never liked when someone says that this style is no good.

 

or that this is better than that.

 

like bruce lee....they used to make fun of him....he use to go to other shcools and try to show something more better but they wouldnt believe him or just throw a laugh at him.[/qoute]

 

Let me make sure I follow your two assertions:

 

1. People saying one styile is better than another is bad.

 

2. You say that Lee had a better style ("something more better") than many others.

[Thaegen]

Gilbert.. you can call me a joke or call me whatever you want.. but your posting about KI, drunken boxing and aikido is crap.. I can't find another word for it.

 

When I concentrate hard enough and summon my ki, I can shoot chemical bombs out of my * and trust me --> that's some strong KI.

 

And the one leg thing is true... there is nothing special about it.. maybe I explain it wrong, but every child can do it.

[Gilbert]

he use to go to other shcools and try to show something more better but they wouldnt believe him or just throw a laugh at him.[/qoute]

 

Let me make sure I follow your two assertions:

 

1. People saying one styile is better than another is bad.

 

2. You say that Lee had a better style ("something more better") than many others.

 

in his eyes(bruce lee eyes). he just wanted to say in way...this might be more useful if you do it like this..understand now?

 

im not saying its bad but a person who studys martial arts should know that it is not good to be saying my style is better than yours or that this style is no good at all. every style is good and should be respected such as the practioner respects his or her fighting style.

[Gilbert]

Gilbert.. you can call me a joke or call me whatever you want.. but your posting about KI, drunken boxing and aikido is crap.. I can't find another word for it.

 

When I concentrate hard enough and summon my ki, I can shoot chemical bombs out of my * and trust me --> that's some strong KI.

 

And the one leg thing is true... there is nothing special about it.. maybe I explain it wrong, but every child can do it.

 

all you members who said i was the one being disrispectful...take a look at this..right here.

 

now who was the one being disrespectful again?

 

do not ask for something you cant give....for me it looks like you know nothing at all....chemical bombs out my * and trust me.....boy you are a big joke

[Thaegen]

*sighs*