Cross_Trainer Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Right now I have been doing Goshin-Jutsu karate for about eight months, and I have a few questions about the two cross-training options in grappling open to me, which are: Judo and a (non-Brazilian) jujitsu/self defense class split. Both are taught by the same schools on different days. My questions for you are: 1. Are the movement patterns of judo, jujitsu, and karate relatively similar, and therefore not likely to screw me up by confusing me about which style of movement I should use with this or that move. 2. Will it * my training if I take one of these in addition to karate? (I have enough time to get all of the classes in for both) 3. Should I wait longer before I start cross training? 4. If so, how much longer? Thanks for your help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47MartialMan Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 My thoughts: 1.) Some what on the first two, not so on Karate (then again pending the style/system). Confusing-perhaps pending on your learning curve. The purpose of training and/or cross trtaining is to practice movement/method that become "your own". Thus, having a arsenal and versitility, make you a versitile martial artist 2.) Generally, it is not a good idea to take mutiple sessions from different schools having different methods. However, it depends on the individual. Some instructors don't want to teach in this manner (in some cases) if they know that a student is learning at another source. 3.)Wait longer. Or it depends on how long you have been studying. What is your comprehension level, and what are your goals, or desired benefits to accomplish. 4.) Re-read 1-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorin Ryuu Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 Depending on how the teacher integrates the teaching, you may or may not want to cross train. As 47MartialMan states, the risk of you getting "confused" is high. Even cross-training within different karate styles can be difficult (which I have done before). I am actually cross training in three different overall styles, karate and jujitsu and iaido. But I do not think I would be able to be doing so unless I had already had a solid foundation in karate. Once you have that foundation, it is easier for you to recognize common and differing principles between the various studies that you are taking and use them to enhance your training. My first instructor's teacher trains his students side-by-side in karate and brazilian jujitsu. He doesn't add the brazilian jujitsu because karate is lacking, he adds it because it sharply emphasizes some things that are not directly stated in karate. He teaches them in a complementary manner, so it helps rather than hinders. Bottom Line: As many people will undoubtedly say, try and get a foundation first, then branch outwards. Martial Arts Blog:http://bujutsublogger.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenStar Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 if the two styles share similar ranges, i.e. two striking systems, then I wouldn't cross train, as you may get confused. Not only that, but varying mechanics in different styles will hinder you. for example, a thai round house and a karate roundhouse are completely different. trying to learn both at the same time may slow you down. If the two are dissimilar in range and function, ie. striking and grappling, go for it - you shouldn't get confused here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47MartialMan Posted September 20, 2004 Share Posted September 20, 2004 I agree with seven star, though I may re-emphasyze in depends on the learning curve. For example in the past-thorugh time, I had a few students that had a hard time learning something. Do you think those could have done two different arts, or two arts simultaneously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanemm Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 It really depends on how you feel about it. What comes easy for me in judo may not for you as a karate student and visa versa. the biggest differense is that judo is more of a feel than seeing the person do something. for example, a blind man in karate would have a harder time competing with non blind people than he would in judo. this is simply due to the fact that your basically connected to the other guy the whole time. heck, 50% of my ground work i close my eyes without even thinking about it only to open them again when I need to transition. I believe you should just try it out for a session or two and attempt to determine if you could understand both styles at the same time. Of corse you have to get both instructor's permission... There are two types of people in the world. Those that find excuses and those that find a way.-Unknown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Jules Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 No disrespect here, but 8 months isnt a long enough time for you to cross train......it can be confusing.....however, some people can handle distinguishing the different aspects of differing styles......give it a shot and see what happens. ~Master Jules......aka "The Sandman""I may be a trained killer......but Im really a nice guy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SevenStar Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 I believe you should just try it out for a session or two and attempt to determine if you could understand both styles at the same time. Of corse you have to get both instructor's permission... not really... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47MartialMan Posted September 21, 2004 Share Posted September 21, 2004 I believe you should just try it out for a session or two and attempt to determine if you could understand both styles at the same time. Of corse you have to get both instructor's permission... not really... Not really on which part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Jules Posted September 22, 2004 Share Posted September 22, 2004 I was curious about that answer too. ~Master Jules......aka "The Sandman""I may be a trained killer......but Im really a nice guy" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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