Chi-I-Do

[Drunken Monkey]

i know.

 

i was just pointing out something about the chinese langauge and how it is in a way, along with chinese culture, entwined in chinese martial arts.

 

i'm not sure if the same could be said about the japanese styles.

 

oh.

 

oops.

 

i just re-read MJ's post.

 

ok.

 

my bad.

 

but the thing is, at the end of the day, the words are there to help understanding.

 

what's more important is how to actually do it

 

and the chinese white crane guys are very hands on.

 

one thing that has also puzzled me is what exactly did the okinawans do with the white crane text?

 

did they get it translated?

 

or did they try to 'read' it?

 

and y'know, i haven't actually seen okinawan karate

 

but

 

i have seen white crane kung fu

 

and

 

i really can't imagine the karate looking anything like the kung fu.

[47MartialMan]

DM: Speaking of Crane/Karate:

 

Read a book entitle The Bubishi-The Bible of Karate-by Patrick McCarthy....gives a descriptive "twist". Highly controversal among Karate-ka

[Master Jules]

DM.......If youve seen the White Crane form, the movements of almost all Goju Ryu katas are all in there. Most people who "know" the arts are very surprised when they see Goju, because even though its "karate"....it really looks like Kung Fu in its fluidity.

[47MartialMan]

There is a guy that opened a Goju school nearby. Actually "not" too near as i have to drive about 1 + half-hour to get to him. But, my next off day I will check him out. Doesnt Goju mean "Hard/Soft"?

[Master Jules]

"Go" means hard, and "Ju" means soft. The mistake people make is that they think you have to be either all "hard", or all "soft"....One of the reasons that Goju is so advanced is that it is the concept of being hard and soft at the same time.

[47MartialMan]

Yes, so I can see where it would be like a gong fu system....

[Master Jules]

It does descend from White Crane, with Pakua and chi gung as well as Shaolin chin na elements. It really looks much more like a gung fu system than any Japanese karate system for example. In fact, you can see parts of the Hakutsuru (white crane) form in every Goju kata.

[47MartialMan]

Actually, didn't the Jaoanese "steal" karate and karate methods. For instance, the very Characters were changed from Tode to Karate. From what I've been told by my Okinawan grandmaster, the Japanese had used the islands to exchange goods (and karate) with mainland China. China was Japan's ancient rival. So to "save face", Japan used Okinawa. To that, Japan had "conqeured" Okinawa, which is still in their prefecture.

 

Japan had made a lot of attempts to de-culturized and country/toen that they conquered. Such was the birth of TKD from Korea. TKD, from what I am told from my Korean master is relatively new.

[Master Jules]

MM.....your history is absolutely correct. Im not all that sure about TKD, but I believe that is correct as well.

[47MartialMan]

And I did state:

 

Most Japanese and Korean Masters will not admit their hiearchy lineage, hence is why names were changed.

 

If one is to truely research their system, they will find it had came from somewhere else. Not to state that once it reached a certain destination, that it wasn't changed per methods and name.

 

My point, per a veracious guidance, is the realization that all styles/systems, have benefits, pros, cons, as the next, and none are truely original or maintain to be inimitably authentic.

Edited September 13, 2004 by 47MartialMan