Chi-I-Do

[SevenStar]

And, I was right. Did you read the history page? The name chi-i-do was adopted by him in 1974 - not a created style, eh? All created styles must be based on something - his was based on goju.

 

As far as the name, he is a chinese man who studied goju. Hence the hybrid name, as I was saying. Go figure...

 

Also, according to the page, he didn't change much. He left his org for political reasons.

[SevenStar]

After doing some searching, it looks like chi-i-do is his organization's name. He teaches goju, not chi-i-do.

[47MartialMan]

Yes, the suffix "do" is Japanese...translating to "way", as in kara-te do...the way of the emtpy hand...originally "China hand".

 

Regarding the second part of your post MM....you are correct in saying that the Japanese stole karate......but it goes way further back than modern times....The Satsuma Clan invaded Okinawa in the mid 1600's and has essentially left Okinawa under Japanese control ever since.

 

MY I know it goes back further, I gave another example, WWII of Japan's control and deculturize a country. I can go onto Korean culture history which its martial arts were greatly affected.

[47MartialMan]

I do that because it tells me right off the bat that there is something....different. A chinese style will not have a japanese name. On the same token, a japanese style won't have a chinese name. When the two are mixed, it's generally a style someone made up and named on their own. For example, shaolin-do. And we know the reputation those guys have...

 

Again, is "do" Japanese, Korean, or Chinese?

[kle1n]

Japanese,Korean,Vietnamese

[Master Jules]

Considering that Okinawa was founded by Chinese families, Chi is a commonly used term regarding Chinese lineage martial arts...which all Okinawan systems are......more importantly....I guess Im still wondering....do you still consider the Chi-I-Do organization to be headed by "one of those guys", as you originally stated, or after hearing the history of the organization as I described, will you be kind enough to retract your statement concerning its headmaster ?

[SevenStar]

Considering that Okinawa was founded by Chinese families, Chi is a commonly used term regarding Chinese lineage martial arts...which all Okinawan systems are......more importantly....I guess Im still wondering....do you still consider the Chi-I-Do organization to be headed by "one of those guys", as you originally stated, or after hearing the history of the organization as I described, will you be kind enough to retract your statement concerning its headmaster ?

 

I've said nothing to retract. I said that I am weary of styles with a hybrid name. that hasn't changed.

 

As an side though, the term 'chi' isn't used to denote a chinese lineage. It is explained on his site that it means the same thing we all know chi to be.

[Master Jules]

If you recognize that Sekichi Toguchi was a direct student of Miyagi, and head of the Shoreikan, and he himself appointed Master Ong as the head of the Shoreikan in 1973, do you still consider Master Ong to be "one of those guys" ?

[SevenStar]

I do that because it tells me right off the bat that there is something....different. A chinese style will not have a japanese name. On the same token, a japanese style won't have a chinese name. When the two are mixed, it's generally a style someone made up and named on their own. For example, shaolin-do. And we know the reputation those guys have...

 

read the last two sentences - completely.

 

It's a reference to shaolin-do guys. Nobody else. I was asked why I am leary of styles with a hybrid name. The quote above was my answer. Hasn't changed. Nothing to retract. actually, my leariness paid off. chi-i-do isn't a style, but an organization.

[47MartialMan]

SevenStar.

 

Shaolin do??? It has a Japanese name?

 

BTW, IM me about them.

 

THERE is one nearby.....