Jbone1 Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Ok heres my thoughts on JKD. Notice this Bruce would rather teach already seasoned Martial Artist. Why? Because he wanted to show them a way that didn't restrict them to just their system and fixed positions they were taught. He wanted to show the a way were you feel and react not just do an exact fixed positional move. Bruce studied many arts and he wasnt' done dying early at 32 or 33. He didn't even want to slap the name JKD on his way and philosophy because he knew what it would turn into today like the silly arguments we have now. You need a foundation in Martial Arts whether it's Tae Kwon Do, Wing Chun, Kung Fu, Capoeira, Ninjitsu, Karate, or whatever. His way was no one way why not dabble in all of what I listed above and more to be able to express yourself as an individual. We are all built different physically, mentally, and spiritually. So why not learn the arts that would fit you to be a great Martial Artist and fighter. "What's your style?""My style?""You can call it the art of fighting without fighting." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazy Scholar Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 but is that JKD ? it would be your creation wouldn't it be? you surely could use any art or structure as a guideline, but in the end that would be all its use and what comes out of it, is your product; no one elses; not Bruce's, not mine, not your buddy's, YOURS. So like I mentioned earlier why give something else credit for your own creation? It wouldn't do any justice for the other art, or more importantly it wouldn't do any justice to yourself. What's wrong with giving yourself a pat on the back every now and then? In regards to seasoned Martial artists, that may be true but he did teach someone from scratch: Ted Wong, who had no martial arts experience when he joined Bruce's Jun Fan Gung Fu Institute. It was some months after their meeting that Bruce decided to take him up as a private student. you scythe with it!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47MartialMan Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Lazy Scholar, I think you are taking DM too literally. See, DM has a way of writing and a way of conveyance. Trust me, I know. I went "round and round" with him on other issues. He doesn't know, or perhaps he may now, that I look at things from every perspective. My posts are not always my views/opinions. Take the Kung Fu thread. He has yet to understand, or maybe he does, that I speak upon it with terms in accordance to etymology, introduction, and existence. I am not thoroughly concerned on what it is, rather than what it was, from a historical sense, or how its was used per the many different dialogues. With that, I could continue to post on that thread, but I do not want it to come to a debate. Opinions are formulations and I do not want to insult, offend, or continue to force or counter-force his. So please, re-read this thread, or ask him to further explain himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazy Scholar Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 I'll do that. my latest post was a response to jbone's you scythe with it!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbone1 Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Like I was saying it's a way a journey. Those under Bruce were taken on a journey with him but I don't think they grasped what he was doing. Remember how back then people were in one school or style and stuck to it? Bruce opened doors with that by not being just in one fixed style he did't believe in it. Martial Arts is so broad how can we truely love it and express ourselves in it if we close our eyes to all but one system? Well, take make it simple my school is considered JKD. My instructor goes to Dan Insantos syminar every year in Waterloo Indiana. He does PHillpino knife fighting and Kali stick demonstrations. He spoke with someone about how we are an open school to many arts. He said well you guys are basically JKD. We go with what works and flows. My instructors believe is "Hard Flow, Soft Flow, Universal Flow." Martial Arts isn't just hard it's soft and they can be hard and soft liek Kenpo. We have are basis and our foundations but we venture in all systems. "What's your style?""My style?""You can call it the art of fighting without fighting." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lazy Scholar Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 sorry that's not a JKD school again give yourself credit where you deserve it. Why hang onto the name of JKD? I only identify with JKD because that's what I train at the moment. When I go out and train Jiujitsu, it'll be jiujitsu that I'm going to be training not JKD; although I'll continue training in JKD when I train it. Likewise for Jiujutsu. although I could apply JKD to the jiujutsu it'll be something that is mine because it'll be based on my understanding of both jkd and JJ. I can say through or by my understanding of these two arts I came away with something that fits me, my structure physically and mentally. you scythe with it!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbone1 Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Well that's what your doing. But by saying your training JKD your saying I'm training in Bruce Lee's way. Bruce had his methods of Wing Chun, Chinese Boxing and such. Just make sure you find someone who follows Bruce's principles close. Because there was a falling out about whos doing it right and whos doing it wrong. Once again why Bruce didn't want to put a label of JKD on it. We also don't hold on to the JKD name. "What's your style?""My style?""You can call it the art of fighting without fighting." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
47MartialMan Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Given the nature of these discussions, what are the lineages of both authors? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostlySykanRyu Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 Lazy Scholar-so in you thheory there is no JKD at all...interesting... Again, I'm not going to press the arguement on something that is meant to be applied, not debated. To condemn the art of another is to condemn your own as well. We all have the same origin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Monkey Posted September 17, 2004 Share Posted September 17, 2004 i am saying that james joyce used jkd principles in his writing before bruce lee was even born. he might not have 'created' jkd as you know it but he was undoubtedly using jkd principles. anyway. 'there is no jkd' that might be the most accurate description of jkd yet..... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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