47MartialMan Posted September 1, 2004 Posted September 1, 2004 If you believe that you are or that possibily are or could be. Cognitive Supposition: What proof or support you have behind such? Simply saying that you born in a culture, or "its complcated", isnt sufficient to support certain claims of knowledge to. This is why I ask for proof (again, not from irriation disbelief, or my belief), but proof for some reference points. And, some explanations to your opinions. (some of which are interesting)
Drunken Monkey Posted September 1, 2004 Posted September 1, 2004 but how does one go about proving something like a language? can you explain why a car is called a car? why an orange is called an orange? can you prove those explainations? cognitive supposition is a term used to describe how the brain supercedes known 'truths' or what you decide to be true. more accurately, it is describing how the brain effectively overwrites the old information, hence rendering it obselete and considers it to be 'wrong'. it is the process and is merely the name given to a documented presentation of observations. when i say it's complicated that is all i mean. i only tend to say it when trying to desrcribe/explain the chinese language and sometimes, i just don't know how to. people with much greater understanding that i have tried and even then haven't quite got it right. take a look at confucius' writing. a simple four character phrase needs pages of english text to fully explain. as i have mentioned, the chinese language likes to refer but these references are often not actually 'presented'. take the wing chun principle 'receive what comes, follow what goes'. it references borrowing energy concepts and using opponents energy but if you translate the words and describe what they mean, you won't see the implied meanings. it doesn't help when sometimes, a phrase can reference another phrase that references another..... like i say; complicated. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
47MartialMan Posted September 1, 2004 Posted September 1, 2004 can you explain why a car is called a car? why an orange is called an orange? can you prove those explainations? Yes to a degree, but not limited to understanding that others can explain it it other ways. And, I wont say its complicated. Is it complicated for you to explain? Is it a barrier of linguistics? cognitive supposition is a term used to describe how the brain supercedes known 'truths' or what you decide to be true. more accurately, it is describing how the brain effectively overwrites the Mld information, hence rendering it obselete and considers it to be 'wrong'. Yes, I understand your use of the term.....but the part of your brain that considers it to be wrong...could be considered as "right" to others. PER SUBJECT of course. I am not asking you to prove the language of Chinese. Show me references of it. Chinese works.....you had mentioned a reference......on another post.....I can't seem to relocate it....but it is interesting as I hope to get a copy and hopefully get a Chinese in the area to help me with it, if it isnt already translated beyond "complications" The only references I have, in scant detail, is my Chinese master, and his master, whom virtually dimisses the use of the term Kung Fu in describing Chinese Martial Arts. Now, I do not know his basis on why he chose this... Perhaps he thinks it too is "complicated"
Drunken Monkey Posted September 1, 2004 Posted September 1, 2004 it is complicated because a lot of chinese things don't translate well, if at all. even the things i have given here are more or less approximations and are only correct to a degree. on a forum such as this it is complicated because a two minute spoken explantion where you and i can interact in real time and interrupt and add to what each other is saying takes too long here. i am also hampered by the fact that i have to be very specific in the words i use for fear of mis-presenting something that could lead to confusions later on. and one reason i can see why your sifu dismisses it is because he speaks mandarin. cognitive supposition does not deal with what others may believe as it is only a document as to how the brain deals with knowledge. it is also only one aspect with how the brain deals with telling truth from untruth. the only time what others believe matters is if it 'proves' what i believe to be wrong, in which case, that becomes my 'truth' until the next time.... but this is where other processes come into play as well as aspects of culture and upbringing. now this really is a topic too complex to go into here not to mention totally off topic. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
47MartialMan Posted September 1, 2004 Posted September 1, 2004 "and one reason i can see why your sifu dismisses it is because he speaks mandarin." And he and his Shifu do the same. Since my master (one of their students) sent me to them, I should give them more honorary titles. But, they refused to let me called them Grandmaster, or Great Grandmaster (well the later deacesed since 1981 at the age of 80) Back in the 70's they told me during their era (more or less words...they had broken English), it was not spoke of as a Martial Art. And boy, the Great Grandmaster (for reference), had much to tell. One of the Shi Mu(s) kept a scrap book of memoirs and many volumes or chronicles. The strangest thing about writing a journal, is when I started martial art training I was forced to write one and it spans 30+ years from adolescence to adult. During the junvenile years , I loathed it. However, re-reading them (mine own) makes me laugh (and sorrow), and brings back entertainment and joy. Now, this brings me to the point... You cannot say that I am wrong....or that you are completey right via birth and other. The post "Shaolin Kung Fu Does Not Exists" leaves it enticing for disccusion. Breaking down the many aspects, including breaking down the group of words leaves for some interesting conversation. I hold no anomosities toward you and enjoy reading your posts. And yes, I am willing to "argue with a Drunken Monkey"
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