Wing Chun

[Rich_2k3]

This is an extract from http://www.martial-arts-info.com

 

"Wing Chun was developed when several grandmasters of the Shaolin temple systemised the best parts of the Chinese martial arts, to form a martial art that was practical and faster to learn than the other styles. Wing Chun aims to deflect force in combat rather than meet force.

 

Wing Chun uses a centre line theory that is based around attacking vital targets along a central line of the body. Two weapons are taught, the dragon pole and butterfly knives, which are used as a pair. Wing Chun also uses the wooden dummy to practice striking and blocking techniques. Wing Chun also uses a partner exercise called Chi Sao, where two partners practice various arm exercises together, to gain better reflexes and response to attacks.

 

Origin of Wing Chun: China

 

Founder of Wing Chun: Ng Mui (A female nun of the Shaolin Temple)

 

Popularised by: Yip Man, Bruce Lee, William Cheung"

[Drunken Monkey]

.....wing chun was NOT created by a nun called ng mui.....

 

don't believe everyhing you read.

 

for a start, there is more than enough 'true' histories on the net these days.

 

go look.

[47MartialMan]

.....wing chun was NOT created by a nun called ng mui.....

 

don't believe everyhing you read.

 

for a start, there is more than enough 'true' histories on the net these days.

 

go look.

 

Interesting......please explain.....

 

I am a History/Research buff.

 

Please, with much curiousty, give info

 

Thanks

[pvwingchun]

Check the history here.

 

http://www.wing-chun.us/history.htm

[47MartialMan]

But Drunken Monkey said:

 

".....wing chun was NOT created by a nun called ng mui.....

 

don't believe everyhing you read.

 

for a start, there is more than enough 'true' histories on the net these days."

 

pvwingchun, I have seen that tale over and over.

 

If Drunken Monkey knows something different, I want to know and know where the info came from.

[Rich_2k3]

All the sources i've ever seen say ng mui created wing chun.

[47MartialMan]

I know, but when something different is said, I want to find the what, where, and why.

[Drunken Monkey]

it's complicated.

 

it is highly likely that the five elders did not exist.

 

the dates do not match.

 

i mean, the dates suggested by the styles' histories and real historical dates don't match.

 

also, the time frame and geography of the legendary character's appearances do not match/make sense.

 

also, the specific names that appear in several styles' histories all have a suspicious second meaning that is too much of a coincidence.

 

specifically, hung gar and wing chun share too many elements/names/ideas.

 

the only (wing chun) people that seem to have historical proof of their existance are

 

cheung ng, the founder of the red junk opera boats

 

(or something like that)

 

and the other 'first gen' guys from the red junks

 

i.e dai fa min kam, fok bo cheun etc.

 

before these guys, everything doesn't add up.

 

after these guys, everything is clear.

 

it is highly likely that wing chun, whilst it did have origins in shaolin (cheung ng was known to be highly skilled in northern shaolin kung fu), was developed and refined on the red junks.

 

check the history of hung fa yi wing chun (or something similar.

 

as well as pan nam's wing chun.

 

and yuen kay shan.

 

then have a look at yip man's 'history'.

 

and hung gar history.

 

then look at known fictional stories like fong sai yuk (or is he actually real???) and his mother.

[47MartialMan]

I have herad of the famous "red boats". It will make semnse that while on a boat, a close-quarter combat system (per Wing Chun) could be developed pr exist. Fact is, do you have any actual proof? Very interesting though, do you have any points of references that I can look up, per example authors or websites?

[Drunken Monkey]

not sure what proof you are asking for.

 

in anycase, there is more proof of wing chun being 'founded' on the boats than the stories of the five elders.

 

in short, the five elders stories can not work in the time frame in which they are presented,

 

nor is there any proof of their existance.

 

another little bit of 'coincidence'.

 

while the 'tan sau' is seen in a few other chinese styles of the period, all of shaolin origins, it is only called 'tan sau' in wing chun.

 

cheung ng was also called 'tan sau ng'.

 

the 'tan sau' is known as one of the 'three seeds' of wing chun.

 

'tan sau ng' was said to be able to do anything from a tan sau.

 

anyway.

 

the boats were a means to get around.

 

i.e training was not just confined to a boat.

 

also, some of them boats were quite large.....

 

what the boats could explain, is how the stories of the five elders could get around and spread in the way that they did

 

(i.e how the legendary characters could get around so quickly and 'teach' so many people at the same time....)