Who influenced who, for whoever cares

[DLopez]

 

Akima, that was probably your weakest post in this entire thread.

 

Korean propaganda and lies?!?! That's the best you can reply with?

 

You're so heck-bent on believing all Korean martial arts are really Japanese, but the one thing you've failed to do this entire time, is support your position with any proof of that. Not once!

 

You keep talking about Choi as if he was the only one that knew and taught martial arts in Korea after the Japanese occupation. Do you not realize how ridiculous that is?

 

Hey, at least I provided a source that corroborated my statements. There are many many more sources if you'd bother to look, but no, you leave it up to me to find it for you, and then call it propaganda and lies!!

 

If indeed it's a fact that Kuk Sool Won is Japanese, then it should be easy to prove.

 

Like you once said so eloquently, Put up or shut up!

 

Show me the money!!

[Akima]

DA,

 

I just posted two links that refute your lie. I really don't need to post more.

 

I really think you need to look into reading comprehension courses soon.

 

I never said that KSW was japanese. I said I doubted it's origin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I also said that I could not find evidence one way or another. I also said the only confirmed traning I could find for Suh was that he trained in HKD. I did not then leap to claim that KSW was japanese. All I have done is doubt your claims and you get all upset and start resorting to lies and twisting everything I have said.

 

What are you a first grader? You take everything I say you take out of context. It's like having a debate with the Special Olympics debate team.

[DLopez]

DA,

 

I just posted two links that refute your lie. I really don't need to post more.

 

Talk about first grader logic. You just posted a link about Choi. What does that have to do with KSW? Nothing. Sure, Kuk Sa Nim (In Hyuk Suh) may have studied under Choi, but he does not acknowledge any of his teachings as going into KSW. Hello, let me repeat that. He does not acknowledge any of Choi's teachings as going into KSW.

 

The fact is, Kuk Sa Nim studied under many masters. However, quite conveniently, you've decided the sources I've posted to support that fact, are lies.

 

The "I really don't need to post more" line is a cop out. The simple fact is, you just don't have any more than that, and it really hasn't proven what you want it to.

I really think you need to look into reading comprehension courses soon.

 

I never said that KSW was japanese. I said I doubted it's origin!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Unreal!! Yes you did. You just said all Korean martial are derived from Japan, in other words, they are Japanese. You said it's fact!

 

Here is your most recent quote (you've actually said it many times):

Korean MA is derived from Japanese styles. Is a fact!!!!!!!

 

Hey, I'm just going on what you said. If you didn't say what you really meant, sorry, but I can't help if it you're illiterate.

 

 

I also said that I could not find evidence one way or another. I also said the only confirmed traning I could find for Suh was that he trained in HKD. I did not then leap to claim that KSW was japanese. All I have done is doubt your claims and you get all upset and start resorting to lies and twisting everything I have said.

 

I'm not resorting to lies. I provided a legitimate link, a "source of evidence". A completely new link that I had not seen before, but one that says the same thing other Koreans say about Korean martial arts. The fact that you can't accept it because it would mean you are just flat wrong in your beliefs, and decide to call it a lie is quite juvenile and the sign of someone that's too lazy to dig up the proper proof to refute it.

 

It's a lie just because you say so? Well then, if your such an authority on the subject, show us the proof.

 

Sorry, but what you posted about Choi doesn't refute anything about all Korean martial arts, and it doesn't even touch on what KSW is. You're making a connection that isn't there. All it proves is what Choi practiced was influenced by Japanese martial arts. Your ability to draw any other conclusion than that based on your links is mind boggling! Hapkido is hardly representative of "all Korean martial arts", and KSW is not Hapkido, nor is it TKD. Can I make that any clearer to you for the umpteenth time?

 

You know, revisionists always take the approach that you have. They think that if they keep repeating their version of history over and over, ad nauseum, someone will eventually believe it. You're preaching revisionist history, as if you know better than the Koreans that lived through it.

What are you a first grader? You take everything I say you take out of context. It's like having a debate with the Special Olympics debate team.

 

Ah.. Resorting to calling me names eh? Tsk, tsk. That's pretty immature, which explains why you're too lazy to do your own research and see what KSW is for yourself, but instead try to equate it to Hapkido and TKD for some inane reason.

[tommarker]

can we drop this crap now?

[SBN Doug]

Yeah, like now.

 

I'll be splitting all this off to a seperate topic, once I get the chance to find how far back the conversation got off topic.

[SBN Doug]

Personally, I don't study KSW because it's Korean, or even because of who created it. I study it because it's the most comprehensive single art I have ever seen, and because it is regulated (for consistency) the world over by the same Grandmaster.

 

If you watch KSW, you will not find too much similarity to any Japanese styles, except perhaps for the presense of forms. What you will see more of, as you should from it's proximity, is an influence (in one direction or the other) from/to Chinese arts. The soft side of the style, the animal techniques, etc.

 

However, if you have the time or desire, you will find that the Chinese were influenced from someone else, etc., etc.

 

Therefore, I reiterate, I don't care how pure it is, just how effective it is.