Who influenced who, for whoever cares

[Akima]

The koreans claim that TKD and HKD are thiers, why should they not include KSW?

 

Seriously, I am trying to find something to support you, But the only person claiming the art is older is Suh himself. Just like the TKD Grandmasters tried.

[DLopez]

This is pretty funny...

 

It's as if you are asking the Koreans what is and isn't actual Korean history, and you're refusing to believe what they tell you. You would rather believe the Japanese version of Korean history instead of getting it straight from the Koreans for some reason.

 

It wouldn't be because you practice a Japanese MA, now would it?

 

If the only sources of information you're going to believe are the "foriegn' ones that would better suit their interests if they discredit the Korean ones, then what possible other conclusion could you draw than the one you have?

 

Oh well,... There are those that still refuse to believe men landed on the moon too.

[tommarker]

I love how every once in awhile, someone on this forum reads for the very first time something about korean MA history, and has to come here shouting it from the mountaintop as if they were the first to discover it

 

Akima, you might find someone willing to talk about history with you if you would cut the attitude.

[Akima]

I do TSD and TKD and I accpet the fact their liniage is from Shotokan.

 

Interesting you bring up Koreans, because so far all the ones I have spoken to have very little regard of KSW. I am honestly asking, why is that? I found it odd. But they were all TKD guys. Is there some feud there?

I love how every once in awhile, someone on this forum reads for the very first time something about korean MA history, and has to come here shouting it from the mountaintop as if they were the first to discover it

 

I wasn't shouting, mearly discussing as I try to some facts. I am sorry if false infomation, or unsubstatiated claims tend to make me Grumpy.

 

I love it how we have a discussion forum, yet everytime my opinions go against the status quoe here, someone accuses me of having attitude, or locks the thread. Some discusion

 

O NO don't tell anyone that Korean MA has Japanese liniage

[DLopez]

Interesting you bring up Koreans, because so far all the ones I have spoken to have very little regard of KSW. I am honestly asking, why is that? I found it odd. But they were all TKD guys. Is there some feud there?

 

Heh. How would a TKD practitioner know anything about KSW unless they studied it? They're not similar at all. I just love how you seem to alwasy go to the wrong sources for your information.

 

I read (on this board even) how some Karate practitioners have little regard for other different styles of Karate. Are some Karate styles more legit than others because of that? According to your logic, I would be inclined to think so, but I'm not so closed-minded to accept that conclusion.

 

From your posts, it's become obvious that you are basing your opinion of KSW on biased and prejudiced hearsay, and not any actual knowledge of the differences between KSW and TKD, or even Karate, and where those differences stem from.

 

Not that it bothers me or anything - you'll believe what you want - but I just like to know where opinions like yours come from. They aren't based on any knowledge of KSW, they are just more of the same worn out slams against KSW drummed up by KSW's "competitors".

 

Like I said, ain't the first time, won't be the last.

[Akima]

You didn't answer any of my questions.

 

Why do other Koreans I have spoken to have a low regard for KSW?

 

Particularly, why do TKD seem to have a distain for it?

 

Is there some feud? I fhtere were school near me, I'd love to go, But there's not.

 

All I have said is that the only person who claim KSW is taken from the older arts is Suh himself. Is there any refenence you know of that coraberates his claims? So far each one I find says "Suh said he learned..."

 

Sorry if I am a little skeptical.

[DLopez]

Why do other Koreans I have spoken to have a low regard for KSW?

 

Particularly, why do TKD seem to have a distain for it?

 

Who knows and who cares? How does a TKD'ers low opinion of KSW reflect on KSW's legitimacy? How would they know anything about it? (You never answered that question, BTW)

 

Fact: Did you know that the Korean government has such low regard for KSW, that it made the World Kuk Sool Won Association a governing body for martial arts in Korea? Ya, I didn't think so.

 

Are you sure Koreans have such low regard for KSW? Me thinks your sources are in the distinct minority.

 

Just for grins, answer me these equally silly (irrelevant) questions:

 

Why do the Red Sox and Yankees have such low regard for each other?

 

Why do Budweiser and Miller drinkers have such low regard for each other?

 

I know, hard questions!

[rmclain]

Perhaps someone should try to find a Korean that studied martial arts following WWII and Korean War in Korea.

 

Ask them what was being taught during that time and what came out during the 1950's and 1960's. Would be more interesting than reading a web site for information.

 

R. McLain

[Akima]

Who knows and who cares? How does a TKD'ers low opinion of KSW reflect on KSW's legitimacy? How would they know anything about it? (You never answered that question, BTW)

 

You brought Up Koreans. I simply wanted to know why the Koreans I asked seemed hostile to the question.

Fact: Did you know that the Korean government has such low regard for KSW, that it made the World Kuk Sool Won Association a governing body for martial arts in Korea? Ya, I didn't think so.

Actually, I did, it's in Busan. Thye alsow have the WTF HQ in Seoul, doesn't Mean TKD is Korean in it's liniage.

 

Now I have again done a few hours of research today. I still cannot find a third party resource to corroberate the claims made by GM Suh.

 

Can you or can you not point me to a resource that supports his Claims?

 

Now Today I correspondence with a guy who did study KSW. He tells me that it was a mixture of HKD with mantis style Kung FU.

 

He also told me that he was not allowed to study any other Marital art and while doing KSW. I told him I bet that was a school policy, and he claimed it was the same in all California.

 

That was really odd. Is that true?

 

Another person I spoke to supports this, claiming Suh combined mantis style with HKD. Of course niether of these guys could support their claims either.

 

What comments can you make on their assesment of the style? And do you have any thierd party resources I can look up?

 

 

Perhaps someone should try to find a Korean that studied martial arts following WWII and Korean War in Korea.

 

Ask them what was being taught during that time and what came out during the 1950's and 1960's. Would be more interesting than reading a web site for information.

 

R. McLain

 

It would be nice.

[DLopez]

Actually, I did, it's in Busan. Thye alsow have the WTF HQ in Seoul, doesn't Mean TKD is Korean in it's liniage.

 

Eh?? Has anyone told you that your tap dancing is exquisite?

 

Just to refresh your memory, the fact that the Korean Government made KSW a governing body in Korea was to refute your claim that the majority of Koreans hold KSW in low regard, not to prove it's lineage.

 

Anyhow, your argument is a study in contradiction.

 

On the one hand, you claim that In Hyuk Suh's claims that KSW's is traditional Korean are uncorroborated, and dubious at best, and therefore unbelievable.

 

Yet, you have no problem believing equally dubious claims that KSW is not a traditional Korean martial art, all from the wrong, ignorant, uninformed sources. In fact, you have fully accepted those doubters words as completely factual!

 

Now why would you bother to give such dubious claims more plausibility than In Hyuk Suh's, unless you were already predisposed in your opinion to disbelieve.

 

If you want to believe that the Japanese were successful in completely eradicating everything Korean from the face of the earth, go right ahead. Personally, I find that harder to believe than KSW being a traditional Korean martial art.

 

I just think it's hilarious that folks that don't even know what the old traditional Korean martial arts were, are the ones now saying what is and isn't traditional Korean, and you're swallowing it up like a bass swallows up a big juicy worm!

 

 

 

He also told me that he was not allowed to study any other Marital art and while doing KSW. I told him I bet that was a school policy, and he claimed it was the same in all California.

 

That was really odd. Is that true?

 

I'm not surprised you figured it was school policy. You seem to hate KSW without knowing anything about it.

 

I have heard of no such school policy, and I've studied it for over two years. The only thing I know you cannot do is teach KSW without permission from In Hyuk Suh. The reason for that is to preserve the quality control, but still, some have stolen the techniques they've learned in KSW, and teach them under other names.

 

I wonder if you can see the irony of this all... your latest source of information studied KSW, so he should know, yet because I study KSW, I'm a "cult" member. Hehe!