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Do you agree that most street fights end up on the ground and/or with both fighters in some kind of head or body lock thing...  

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  1. 1. Do you agree that most street fights end up on the ground and/or with both fighters in some kind of head or body lock thing...

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I am gonna rate Muay Thai because I do it, but I'm not comparing it to any other martial art, so don't be offended.

 

Physical Fitness

 

7/10 -Develops muscular strength and endurance

 

-Does not help with cardio unless you're really serious about training and

 

drill continuously for more than 30 min. (that's the min. to get cardio benefits). If you do, however, give it that kinda of dedication, it's really good for your cardiovascular fitness and helps you to be more resistant to muscle fatigue.

 

Power Moves

 

10/10 I'm not sure what you mean by power moves, but I think techniques such as the "jump flying knee", "up knee", and "clinch & skip knee" are very powerful. Trust me, I know :dead: it... it hurts...haha.

 

Self Defense

 

3/10 I am giving this to every martial art except Jiu-Jitsu. No offense, I don't even do Jiu-Jitsu, but I know that on the street, most fights end up on the ground and/or in a wrestling-type situation within a few seconds. Please don't be offended. All martial arts are awesome...

 

Long Term Training

 

10/10 Any martial art is great for long term training as long as you enjoy it.

 

Hobby

 

8/10 It's really fun (I think), but it's relatively new in the US and there just arn't that many Muay Thai tournaments. :( Plus, elbows are illegal in fights in the US and knees too in most states. That is wierd, since both elbows and knees are allowed in "no-holds-barred" fights...

 

If you found any of this offending, please E-mail me and I will change it.

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"Haha. Too bad."


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-Bruce Lee

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Shoot I meant to post this as a reply to something else. Whatever

Instructor:"You're not gonna be able to see if you don't cut your hair."


"Haha. Too bad."


"A martial artist who has never sparred is like a swimmer who has never entered water."

-Bruce Lee

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Dude if i get on a street fight i hit the guy as hard as i can and run away, i dont go on top of him and try to lock him down when he falls...

Shito Ryu (3rd kyu) RETIRED - 2002-2003

Now studying BJJ(2006)

Posted

no the only fights that end on the ground are either untrained fighters, or grapplers wanting to controlt he action on the ground.

 

Both are ill advised.

 

I am also 100% confident that all things considered equal a striker never has to go to the ground or get tied up in the streets.

 

sport fighting is another matter all together since it is in a confined space and has rules.

 

now, a grappler that is trained can take down a good striker that doesnt know how to stop shoot ins.

 

but I am a firm believer that once someone knows how to stop that it wont do the grappler any good.

 

I am also willing to defend my position against anyone on the planet in regarsd to this. I am not saying I am wanting to street fight and hurt people, I am saying that if someone would like to test me on it personally I would love to accept the challenge. :)

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fights are chaotic, people stumble, techniques can be sloppy, etc. many fights end up on the ground just because of those reasons alone. people will end up in a clinch, and they end up stumbling, taking eachother down. Many go to the ground, but not all. IMO though, you should know how to handle yourself on the ground just incase you do end up there.

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A good striker will not let the fight go to the ground because he will finish his opponent within seconds of a fight starting. Failure to do so means that he is not a good striker. However, as mentioned before accidents do happen, so it is always good to know what to do when you are on the ground.

 

I suppose that is why many kung fu and some karate styles have grappling techniques as well. That is, they are complete martial arts despite what many "experts" say.

 

Wing Chun Kuen Man

Real traditional martial arts training is difficult to find.....most dojos in the west are Mcdojos....some are better and some are worst....but they are what they are....do you train in one?

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I'm sorry, but that's false. the only way the good striker will remain standing is if he has knowledge of how to defend takedowns. The "grappling" found in many striking systems is locking and throwing - not takedowns and defenses.

 

put a good striker vs a good grappler and my money is on the good grappler, unless the striker has god takedown defense. A good example is chuck lidell. He's a great striker, but what saves him is that he's awesome at defending takedowns.

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no the only fights that end on the ground are either untrained fighters, or grapplers wanting to controlt he action on the ground.

 

Both are ill advised.

 

Yep. The combination of that plus few good strikers that equals a large portion of fist fights ending on the ground.

"An enlightened man would offer a weary traveler a bed for the night, and invite him to share a civilized conversation over a bowl of... Cocoa Puffs."

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Sevenstar,

 

The grappling defenses found in many striking systems include knee strikes to the face, as take down defenses. Also, finger strikes to vital areas such as eyes and throat etc; back fist/elbow strikes to the back of the skull and neck area. In my style of wing chun there is grappling techniques when there is one on one grappling on the floor, using the fighting principles of the style. Grappling and "anti" grappling techniques exist in many numerous kung fu styles. I will also point out that many traditional fighting arts were given techniques to defend against takedowns by their founders, wether these are taught by today´s senseis or sifus in an era dominated by Mcdojos is another story.

 

Also, it is good to remember that many fights start with word exchange first and sometimes the first strike finishes the fight, i.e. There is not always a controlled match situation.

 

Wing Chun kuen Man

Real traditional martial arts training is difficult to find.....most dojos in the west are Mcdojos....some are better and some are worst....but they are what they are....do you train in one?

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