47MartialMan Posted September 2, 2004 Posted September 2, 2004 also, the instep is easier to break. kicking with the instep, if I block with my knee or shin, you will be in pain - elbows to the instep aren't nice. I've seen people get broken bones, busted blood vessels, etc as a result of that. Not with shoes on. Besides, one my instructors could kick through material with his toes!!!!! Its all in conditioning (same as Chi demos)
47MartialMan Posted September 3, 2004 Posted September 3, 2004 47, what type of gong were you doing, and what was the injury? Before I KNEW BETTER, finger types. At the time, they did not hurt. 30 years later, those specific areas ache from time to time. Asking my instructor (one of many), about this, he MADE a liniment and told me I have to apply it for the rest of my life. Not everyday, just when the ache starts. The point, if you do not plan of fighting professionally, to train such areas is almost pointless. Lifestyles of the era, do not need people to train this way. Perhaps in the day, when such was need, per escort and/or bodyguard were sought after. Hitting a bag with the shins may not have any detrimental effects now, it COULD have decades in the future. And, of course, depends on the person. I don't advise against it. I apply the question of why? When you answer that, ask why again. And so forth. Although seemingly like a childish game, perhaps may have you understand the need. When you come to a final answer, let me know.
SevenStar Posted September 3, 2004 Posted September 3, 2004 also, the instep is easier to break. kicking with the instep, if I block with my knee or shin, you will be in pain - elbows to the instep aren't nice. I've seen people get broken bones, busted blood vessels, etc as a result of that. Not with shoes on. Besides, one my instructors could kick through material with his toes!!!!! Its all in conditioning (same as Chi demos) shoes are like padding, unless you are wearing steel toes. a shin is harder. Also, it depends on the shoes. If you have on thin dress shoes, for example, it will still hurt ifyou kick an elbow. toe conditioning was a common thing in okinawan MA and also in various other MA. I wouldn't advise it though. It takes alot of conditioning to be able to toe kick with effectiveness. More conditioning than probably 95% of MA endure, and for what? I can thrust kick with the heel or ball of my foot - don't need to use my toe, and there is less change of breaking something.
47MartialMan Posted September 3, 2004 Posted September 3, 2004 SevenStar Yeah, depends on the shoes.... But my shins are not as conditioned as my foot and the shoe is comforting. Yeah, his toe striking took a lot of conditoning. Since it was done way back in the ol days, I guess he had to show something of it. More conditioning than probably 95% of MA endure, and for what? I can thrust kick with the heel or ball of my foot - don't need to use my toe, and there is less change of breaking something. I agree, such is deemed not necessary anymore.
Shane Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 Wow a few posts from fellow Washington folk!!!!! My instructor use to have us roll our escrima sticks over our shins to help de-sensitise our shins, but our over all shin conditioning drill were done on an old bag that the bottom had become rock solid. Now in my school I use only the back and have students do short sets switching from side to side until they build up the tolorance to up the sets and the power. As far as a glass bottle I would just stay away from that. Hurting yourself is only going to keep you from training and thats going to defeat the purpose of your entire goal. Good Luck A True Martial Arts Instructor is more of a guide than anything, on your way to developing the warrior within yourself!!!!!
Shane Posted September 22, 2004 Posted September 22, 2004 yeah I have students use only the back!!! hahahahaha LOL Yeah so I'm crazy right, NO I meant to write use only the BAG!!!! Okay so this post fixes my previous post THANKS A True Martial Arts Instructor is more of a guide than anything, on your way to developing the warrior within yourself!!!!!
yan Posted September 23, 2004 Posted September 23, 2004 hi... i just want to let you guys know that you might get shin cancer with hitting your shins with bottles and sticks. and thailand has the highest rate of shin cancer in the world. but hell it will take a long time before you get shin cancer and not everybody gets to have the chance to experience one... i hope you take my advice and vito's. It is better to have a knife and never need one. than not having one and really need one.
Synaesthesia Posted September 28, 2004 Posted September 28, 2004 I have heard that tennis players have significantly denser bone in their racket arm. I suspect that the bone itself may be affected by conditioning. Moral: Don't trade shin-to-shin kicks with a professional Muay Thai athlete. But you knew that, right?
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