Nunchaku Grappling

[Spin]

Hey everyone!

 

Ive improvised my own flashy nunchaku techniques for years, just for fun really, but recently I have started training more offensive techniques and adapting my flashy stuff into deadly stuff ..

 

Ive come to the conclusion that grappling is definatly a very effective application of the nunchaku, and I was wondering if anyone knows of any arts that employ nunchaku grappling so I can study it furthur..

[Sauzin]

Okinawan Kobudo taught by a teacher who knows his kata. I have specific experiance with Okinwan Kenpo Kobudo. At least 1/5 of our kata is pure locks, grapples, and disarms.

[Shorinryu Sensei]

Hey everyone!

 

Ive improvised my own flashy nunchaku techniques for years, just for fun really, but recently I have started training more offensive techniques and adapting my flashy stuff into deadly stuff ..

 

Ive come to the conclusion that grappling is definatly a very effective application of the nunchaku, and I was wondering if anyone knows of any arts that employ nunchaku grappling so I can study it furthur..

 

Personally, I teach nunchaku "grappling" (I assume you mean trapping and locks?) techniques and would be glad to teach you also if you'd like. You just have to join my class, train hard and when you get your black belt (about 3 years of serious training), I will start teaching you those sorts of things.

 

Oh, by the way, in the 26 years I have been teaching classes, I've only promoted 4 (hopefully 5 by the end of the year) people to black belt...so you'd better be prepared to work your buns off! lol

 

And just a comment on your "adapting my flashy stuff into deadly stuff"...it isn't going to happen bud without good, legitimate instruction by someone that knows what they're doing...for real! All I can say is ----->

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And just a comment on your "adapting my flashy stuff into deadly stuff"...it isn't going to happen bud without good, legitimate instruction by someone that knows what they're doing...for real! All I can say is ----->

 

wouldnt that be quite a rash statement? i mean , sure instruction is extremely useful , but once one was come to grasps with a weapon enough to wield it in a 'flashy' manner , then surely they should be able to use it in a 'offensive' way , maybe not to the extent of someone who has been taught by an 'expert' but i think with abit of common sense/some basic MA experience u can guage where/how to hit sombody to a decent degree without too much instruction.

 

or maybe im far to literal , and misinterpreted ur statement as it was sarcastic! in which case shame on u! sarcasm has no place on a forum where tone of voice is esential (unless its BLINDINGLY obvious)

[Shorinryu Sensei]

[wouldnt that be quite a rash statement? i mean , sure instruction is extremely useful , but once one was come to grasps with a weapon enough to wield it in a 'flashy' manner , then surely they should be able to use it in a 'offensive' way , maybe not to the extent of someone who has been taught by an 'expert' but i think with abit of common sense/some basic MA experience u can guage where/how to hit sombody to a decent degree without too much instruction.

 

Oh, well sure, I guess anybody can learn to swing the nunchaku at somebody's head and split it open I guess (no sarcasm intended), so I guess yes, you can take a flashy technique and turn it into a deadly one. I stand corrected.

 

As just about anybody that reads much on this forum will tell you, I'm absolutly DEATH on flashy and ineffective techniques, whether it be with, or without weapons. Flash, without substance (effectiveness) is pure, unadulterated garbage IMHO and is an embarassment, and a degradation (IMHO) to the martial arts in general.

 

I wouldn't even want to guess how many tournaments I've been the center referee at where a black belt will come up and give me his best during a weapons form, and it is absolutly the biggest pile of dung you've ever seen in your life! And people that are "self-taught", especially with the nunchauku, are the worst IMHO. From what I've experienced over the years , they would be better served by using a twirling baton rather than a nunchauku for all the good their technique would do them in a fight.

 

If my opinion offends you, I apoligise. I'm from the old school and old train of thought of the MA's, where the MA's are designed for one thing only. Effectiveness! I do not, nor will I ever, teach techniques that are a waste of time and effort becuase they are ineffective. If one of my students wants to get flashy, I send them to a gymnastics school, or one of several dojo's/dojang's in my area that do that sort of thing.

 

Do I sound like a hard-*? Well, maybe...and like I said earlier, I've only promoted 4 people so far to black belt...but I can assure you, they were excellent martial artists, and good people. I demand a certain amount of expertise from my people, as I do myself. They know this also, and the people I have in my small class are dedicated, loyal, and strive to be the best martial artists that they can be.

 

Oh geeze...here I go again getting on my soapbox! Sorry people...but sometimes you just have to vent these things or you'll explode ...know what I mean?

[battousai16]

hwarang do has 'em, but you have to be pretty advanced to learn 'em. i dunno, i really don't like the nunchaku and never really bothered putting serious training into 'em. shame on me i guess, i just never get the urge to play around with 'em, so i really only about adequit with the basics.

[tommarker]

It's not really grappling, so much as it is pinching/pain compliance, but if you look at the program released with the Orcutt Police Nunchaku you might find a few interesting items. From what I've seen though, it's mostly extraction techniques on passive resisters, which can just as easily be done by grabbing dude by the lip or ear I own a pair of Orcutt's and while they say they are designed more for locking than striking, you could knock someone out cold easy. I have to say that they will really sting on the locks though. Good luck finding a pair, as they are more or less "for law enforcement only."

 

there is another type of "nunchaku" that looks more like a pair of scary ice tongs which is useless for striking, but you can pinch like crazy with them. These are called the "TR-22." A far cry from the police nunchaku Monadnock made in the 80s that felt like two pieces of rebar attitudes change, i guess If your local library has "Journal of Asian Martial Arts" look for Volume 9, Number 1, Page 41 (2000.)

 

I have spent the last 4 years working on the more practical aspects of the nunchaku, and it is the rare student who will stay interested in such techniques. I personally don't trust more than 1-2 of the locks I know how to do, and have just gotten to a point where I'm starting to feel comfortable with my range on a few of the ballistic strikes. About once a year, I get to work on the traditional aspects with someone, so my development is slow. That's OK.

 

Joseph Hess wrote a book entitled "nunchaku in action" which I think is designed for law enforcement (for those few who are still able to carry nunchaku on the job) and it does a good job at introducing a person to the "short game" but there is also some real crud in the book as well.

 

However, between that and Sakagami's "nunchaku and sai" book, I can't think of two better books to own. Both are out of print, so I'd check abebooks.com

 

I admire your sincere approach to the "pure" aspects of the system, but as S.S. said, it is an uphill battle on your own, unless perhaps you already have a strong foundation in hapkido or jiujitsu.

 

Mmmmm, babbling on about nunchaku

 

edited to change the name of the police nunchaku, and to add a reference

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I undertsand ur 'hard *' attitude (as u so eloquently put it) completely. just.. i guess it was my day to bitch at som1 :/ , i myself cant stand alot of flashy techniques , as this is a weapon u are handling , therefore u shud treat it as one , and with respect... but i do think at least a small part of this flashy style can be salvaged maybe for some decent striking , depends on the wielder , i myself have set out to master the c0re techniques of the nunchaku , concentrating on locks , blocking and striking , and leaving the flairaspect to the "entertainers" wilst im busy being a "martial artist" but this is just my opinion , flair certainly has its place in some peoples martial arts , just i prefer to leave much of it out of mine.

[Sauzin]

I like to compare flashy nunchaku techniques to my cousin who juggles clubs. He can swing 5 clubs in the air, around his back, under his legs, and around his arms. But you ask him to fight with them, and the best he could do is lob a wide arched swing. Kind of like a cave man with a club only with less commitment. Juggling may teach him coordination but he doesn't have the knowledge or the practice to apply it to combat. There are certain aspects of nunchaku that you must know if you are to fight effectively with them. The only way you can know them is if you are taught. No one man developed these techniques. So I don't know how any self taught individual can expect to develop them himself. YOU SIMPLY MUST LEARN THEM FROM A QUALIFIED INSTRUCTOR.

[Ravencroft]

Ok i jus have a quick question, this isnt meant to be like scrutiny or anything im just curious. at competitions where they do pretty techniques do u frown upon that? because it sounds like u hate everything to do with flash. i think we can all agree that most of it doesnt work in real combat but when its for dance like the way they use, when they know it isnt for fighting do u still hate it? because i believe those techs have their own purpose in MA. martial arts has evolved so much and its not just for basic self defense or ring fighting anymore. its for sport dance health and so many other things and im sorry if i am completely misinterpreting you but thats just the way it comes off.