Akima Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 Sayoc Kali .... it is highly effective as they teach it to the Special forces of our military. There is no one style is used by the US special Forces.
CapitalKarate Posted July 24, 2004 Author Posted July 24, 2004 Thanks all, I will stay with Shorin-ryu until i get to 1st dan. I'm 16, I've been training in SR for about 6 months now. And the reason I initially wanted to change was because a TKD black belt was talking to me about how a lot of karate dojos teach you how to block a kick as opposed to dodging a kick, which I see blocking a kick as something that will break your arm more than likely and my dojo has taught how to block a kick, but i guess if you move in and block more towards the knee area, than it won't do damage to you. And the reasons i want to take those other arts is because, muay thai: they have devestating kicking abilities, i want to toughen up my legs and i've seen muay thai as being the best leg conditioning art ever. sayockali: i want to become a master at fighting with a knife and stick (seperatly), i just love the knife, and this art seems like the best knife art for me. bjj or combat ju jitsu: these arts aren't good really much at all imo when it comes to the military because you don't have time to go to the ground and finish someone off like that, but its a great way to protect yourself legally in the US, if someone attacks me when i'm just walking down somewhere, but their intent is not to kill me, and i can't get away and i have to use my karate skills (when i get them) to defend myself, i may possibly get sued. if i use jj, then i wouldn't be striking them, or at least not as much, and i could hold them there until police arrive. plus bjj or jj would be a good art to take just in case you need to defend yourself and it ends up on the ground because of them. Joshua Brehm-When you're not practicing remember this; someone, somewhere, is practicing, and when you meet them, they will beat you.
Shorinryu Sensei Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 Thanks all, I will stay with Shorin-ryu until i get to 1st dan. I'm 16, I've been training in SR for about 6 months now. Ah..we get to some good info now. At 16, and no offense meant here, you, like most people in America, want to know it all..RIGHT NOW! I've raised two sons myself, and have been teaching Shorinryu since 1978, plus used to be a school teacher, so I understand where you're coming from now. Shorinryu is an EXCELLENT system for self-defense purposes. If that's what you want from a martial art, I'd suggest staying with it. BJJ is great if you have to go to the ground, but not so good if you have to fight more than one person at a time. MT is also a good fighting art, but again (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong here), not designed to fight more than one person at a time.And the reason I initially wanted to change was because a TKD black belt was talking to me about how a lot of karate dojos teach you how to block a kick as opposed to dodging a kick, which I see blocking a kick as something that will break your arm more than likely and my dojo has taught how to block a kick, but i guess if you move in and block more towards the knee area, than it won't do damage to you. I'd like to address this. How does a TKD black belt, who I assume isn't taking karate (specifically Shorinryu) themselves, know what they teach you in Shorinryu? And believe me, you don't want to block a kick at the knee, as you won't stop it there. Dodging it is the preferable method, (are you learnign body shifting or change of body movements yet?) but that's not always possible, so yes, sometimes you have to block it. And no, you won't break your arm (hand perhaps though) blocking a kick if you do it properly..that's why you drill on your blocks over and over again..so you do them properly if you need to.And the reasons i want to take those other arts is because, muay thai: they have devestating kicking abilities, i want to toughen up my legs and i've seen muay thai as being the best leg conditioning art ever. Yes, they do have powerful kicks. However, generally with years of toughing up exercises that they do, these can leave you crippled later in life. At 16 now, you aren't looking down the road at the consequeces of your actions when you get to the ripe old age of 51 like I am now. Talk to your Shorinryu sensei about kotoate (pronounced coat-oh-ah-te) drills..which are the Shorinryu body toughening techniques. Some sensei do them, some don't. I do and have so for nearly 30 years with no ill effects or loss of abilities. {quote]sayockali: i want to become a master at fighting with a knife and stick (seperatly), i just love the knife, and this art seems like the best knife art for me. I'm not familiar with this system. Perhaps others that are can comment. Knowledge of the knife would be good. bjj or combat ju jitsu: these arts aren't good really much at all imo when it comes to the military because you don't have time to go to the ground and finish someone off like that, but its a great way to protect yourself legally in the US, if someone attacks me when i'm just walking down somewhere, but their intent is not to kill me, and i can't get away and i have to use my karate skills (when i get them) to defend myself, i may possibly get sued. if i use jj, then i wouldn't be striking them, or at least not as much, and i could hold them there until police arrive. plus bjj or jj would be a good art to take just in case you need to defend yourself and it ends up on the ground because of them. First of all, you won't get sued defending yourself...IF you don't overdue it! This is the self-defense law in Montana, and it is similar in every state in the USA. 45-3-102. Use of force in defense of person. A person is justified in the use of force or threat to use force against another when and to the extent that he reasonably believes that such conduct is necessary to defend himself or another against such other's imminent use of unlawful force. However, he is justified in the use of force likely to cause death or serious bodily harm only if he reasonably believes that such force is necessary to prevent imminent death or serious bodily harm to himself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony. I hope this helps. My nightly prayer..."Please, just let me win that PowerBall Jackpot just once. I'll prove to you that it won't change me!"
CapitalKarate Posted July 24, 2004 Author Posted July 24, 2004 wow! thanks, that helped a lot. i wish i had a site of my dojo to show you exactly how we train, but we're not a very well known school. j/w.. is there any groundfighting taught in shorin-ryu? and bout the TKD fighter telling me bout the blocks, he said that blocking a kick wouldn't work well, he didn't say that my style did it, i knew that my style did. but anyway, i'm seeing everything in a new light. overall, i want to be able to defend myself against as many different types of attacks that could come my way as possible. i want to be able to defend myself against weapons, and i want to master the art of using the knife and escrima stick. so if shorin ryu teaches howto defend yourself if your opponent takes you to the ground and to be able to quickly get back up, then all i need is shorin ryu and syoc kali, thanks all! Josh Joshua Brehm-When you're not practicing remember this; someone, somewhere, is practicing, and when you meet them, they will beat you.
Shorinryu Sensei Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 wow! thanks, that helped a lot. My pleasure, and glad to be of help. i wish i had a site of my dojo to show you exactly how we train, but we're not a very well known school. No problem. I don't have a site either, but there are many shorinryu sites out there that offer good ideas of what the system is all about in the more advanced stages... is there any groundfighting taught in shorin-ryu? Yep! As a general rule, we don't like to go to the ground, but we like to put the OTHER guy there real quickly! I don't know what schedule your sensei uses, but I personally teach joint locks (tuitte) (pronounced two-i-te) and manipulations of the joints fairly soon to people. Ask your sensei about it.and bout the TKD fighter telling me bout the blocks, he said that blocking a kick wouldn't work well, Tell ya what. Send that TKD BB over to Montana and I'll convince him otherwise. Granted, blocking a kick with an arm...force against force..isn't a good idea. You need to know how to do it. Again, this depends on how your sensei teaches his class. In Shorinryu, we NEVER just use force to stop force. Maybe, at your stage (yellow belt), you will learn that, but you will learn differently later on. Hang in there..it gets lots and lots more ineteresting! lol overall, i want to be able to defend myself against as many different types of attacks that could come my way as possible. i want to be able to defend myself against weapons, and i want to master the art of using the knife and escrima stick. so if shorin ryu teaches howto defend yourself if your opponent takes you to the ground and to be able to quickly get back up, then all i need is shorin ryu and syoc kali, thanks all! Josh Shorinryu teaches you well how to defend against one person, or 10 (not recommended to stand and fight 10 however! lol) It also teaches defense, which is basically nearly the same type of techniques, against weapons. Train hard, listen to your sensei, send me $50 for the advice, eat your veggies and treat ladies with respect, and you'll go far in life. [/b] My nightly prayer..."Please, just let me win that PowerBall Jackpot just once. I'll prove to you that it won't change me!"
Akima Posted July 24, 2004 Posted July 24, 2004 And the reason I initially wanted to change was because a TKD black belt was talking to me .... Please don't listen to TKD BBs unless they are over 40.
Beka Posted July 25, 2004 Posted July 25, 2004 Please don't listen to TKD BBs unless they are over 40. *snort* I posted something on another message board about my karate classes, and some lady said "my 10 year old got his black belt in TKD last month!" I wanted to scream.
CapitalKarate Posted July 25, 2004 Author Posted July 25, 2004 what?? a ten yr old getting a black belt??? good Lord... now thats just rediculous... thanks again shorinryu sensei, you've really helped me a lot! gimme your address and i'll send the $50 right away! lol Joshua Brehm-When you're not practicing remember this; someone, somewhere, is practicing, and when you meet them, they will beat you.
Shorinryu Sensei Posted July 25, 2004 Posted July 25, 2004 what?? a ten yr old getting a black belt??? good Lord... now thats just rediculous... thanks again shorinryu sensei, you've really helped me a lot! gimme your address and i'll send the $50 right away! lol There used to be a TKD (self promoted) Grand Master in Great Falls, MT that a number of years ago promoted a 7 YEAR OLD to black belt. I hate to speak ill of the deceased, but the Grand Master(bater?) had a heart attack a couple of years later and died, and as far as I know, his association and school died with him. Sometimes, something bad can be something good for all. As for my address...I'd give it to you, but then everybody else on this forum would probably want to send me money too...and I would just hate like heck to have to do all that paperwork that would be involved in claiming it to the IRS. My nightly prayer..."Please, just let me win that PowerBall Jackpot just once. I'll prove to you that it won't change me!"
battousai16 Posted July 25, 2004 Posted July 25, 2004 "As for my address...I'd give it to you, but then everybody else on this forum would probably want to send me money too...and I would just hate like heck to have to do all that paperwork that would be involved in claiming it to the IRS. " of course i'm just itching to send my pay check to you my experience with kali was great fun. by all means stick with shorin ryu if you enjoy it, but don't discount kali. "I hear you can kill 200 men and play a mean six string at the same time..."-Six String Samurai
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