Little Dragon Posted September 16, 2004 Posted September 16, 2004 Tiger Cho..or was it choi? sorta like a tiger woods xP And no he doesnt belong to an organization..unless you mean he knows other grandmasters cuz ive seen him talk to a few at my tournements. And im not sure about the kukiwon..ill have to ask when i get back to tkd. ''I know what your thinking.........did I shoot you 3 times? or did I shoot you 472 times?''
SevenStar Posted September 16, 2004 Posted September 16, 2004 Okay guys, here's the deal on Chuck Norris - He holds black belts in both tkd and tsd. His school teaches tsd though - I trained at one. http://www.fortunecity.com/westwood/calvin/223/vabchcnks.htm That is the one I trained at. He also holds a brown belt in judo. He was actually training in judo before tsd. He got injured in judo and never went back, but he wanted to continue his MA training and began tsd.
SevenStar Posted September 16, 2004 Posted September 16, 2004 TKD is actually a derivitive of shotokan karate. I have studied both (TKD) first and it is quite easy to see this. However, tkd was adapted for the situation of its practitioners, ie, they were attacked by soldiers on horses, so they included a lot of high kicking to combat them. There are a few kicks in shotokan, however, if you look at the kata's and the majority of the ipon kumite, bunkai and kihon. its is more like 75 /25 not 50/50. If it is at all possible. do both. if you find that you enjoy one more than the other, stick with it. if not, theres no harm in doing more than one style. tsd is a deriviative of shotokan. tkd came from political debates in korea because tsd looked "too japanese"
47MartialMan Posted September 16, 2004 Posted September 16, 2004 tsd is a deriviative of shotokan. tkd came from political debates in korea because tsd looked "too japanese" Close. My sources have the same idea. As believed by some, TSD was there before TKD, and believed to influence the latter. And since, Japan had a strong hold in Korea, Koreans that were able to, learned, (some went as fars as Japan) and incorporated "new systems". Thus "new" organizations were formed for "control". And out of those organizations, sub organizations were also formed out of controversy.
47MartialMan Posted September 16, 2004 Posted September 16, 2004 Tiger Cho..or was it choi? sorta like a tiger woods xP And no he doesnt belong to an organization..unless you mean he knows other grandmasters cuz ive seen him talk to a few at my tournements. And im not sure about the kukiwon..ill have to ask when i get back to tkd. I could be mistaken on the Kukiwon, but the one I am thinking of is the largest, oldest (not ancient) Korean martial art institution. So any coorections would be appreciated becuase I am going from "the top of my head".
euphoria47 Posted September 16, 2004 Posted September 16, 2004 we have several local karate schools where a student can attain a black belt without even sparring once...on the other hand, we have a tae kwon do school that produces a few guys who participate in a really rough underground fighting club. personally, i wouldn't recommend either karate or tae kwon do as a whole if you're looking for self-defense. however, it's all about the individual school.
47MartialMan Posted September 16, 2004 Posted September 16, 2004 we have several local karate schools where a student can attain a black belt without even sparring once...on the other hand, we have a tae kwon do school that produces a few guys who participate in a really rough underground fighting club. personally, i wouldn't recommend either karate or tae kwon do as a whole if you're looking for self-defense. however, it's all about the individual school. Black Belts without sparring. TKD producing fighters that can handle underground fight clubs. (Hope it isn't the "Black Belts without sparring" in the underground fight clubs) Now I HAVE heard of everything, I suppose.
Little Dragon Posted September 16, 2004 Posted September 16, 2004 Tiger Cho..or was it choi? sorta like a tiger woods xP And no he doesnt belong to an organization..unless you mean he knows other grandmasters cuz ive seen him talk to a few at my tournements. And im not sure about the kukiwon..ill have to ask when i get back to tkd. I could be mistaken on the Kukiwon, but the one I am thinking of is the largest, oldest (not ancient) Korean martial art institution. So any coorections would be appreciated becuase I am going from "the top of my head".My instructor isnt in any institutes..well except for a few from new jersey. 1.Jiho Choi Institute 2.Princeton tkd those two are the only institutions my master is associated with. ''I know what your thinking.........did I shoot you 3 times? or did I shoot you 472 times?''
Little Dragon Posted September 16, 2004 Posted September 16, 2004 Tiger Cho..or was it choi? sorta like a tiger woods xP And no he doesnt belong to an organization..unless you mean he knows other grandmasters cuz ive seen him talk to a few at my tournements. And im not sure about the kukiwon..ill have to ask when i get back to tkd. I could be mistaken on the Kukiwon, but the one I am thinking of is the largest, oldest (not ancient) Korean martial art institution. So any coorections would be appreciated becuase I am going from "the top of my head".My instructor isnt in any institutes..well except for a few from new jersey. 1.Jiho Choi Institute 2.Princeton tkd those two are the only institutions my master is associated with. ''I know what your thinking.........did I shoot you 3 times? or did I shoot you 472 times?''
47MartialMan Posted September 16, 2004 Posted September 16, 2004 Little Dragon, I am speaking in terms of certification via lineage. He has to have been "certified" from someone. That someone had to have been certified from someone else. And so on. And per the thread of "The Master", what do you think qualifies him as a master? Now, don't misconstrue this as an attempt to discredit him. And I mean no offence. My point, which is not totaly directed to you, is: The Kukiwon, the one I am thinking of is the largest, oldest (not ancient) Korean martial art institution. So any corrections would be appreciated.
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