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Yeah, well when you see someone list three things that are martial arts and one that is actually a feudal social ranking, some peoples ears * up. Apples and oranges no?

 

It's a bit like asking which artist came first,

 

A. DaVinci

 

B. Van Gogh

 

C. Picasso

 

D. Kermit the frog

 

Kermit was always my favorite renaissance artist...I was so mad they didn't name a ninja turtle after him. :D

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but they did!

 

he was the secret ninja.

 

that's how good he was....

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Ugh! This whole thread is silly. We all know Miss Piggy knew ju-jutsu before becoming a samurai, and that Kermit deserves credit for the development of judo and aikido. :roll:

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The Samurai came first. Jujitsu was merely one of the many martial training arts they practiced. They did everything from fighting on horseback to grappling in the water. For more info on this type of stuff, read Classical Bujutsu by Donn Draeger.

 

Jujitsu was a way of helping the samurai fight with little or no weaponry on the battlefield if he (or she, as there were several famous female warriors) encountered that situation.

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just a guess but id say Samurai

 

then i would think either Aikido or Judo and then finally Jiu Jitsu, but again thats only a guess.

 

how could aikido or judo come about before jiu jitsu??? both of those arts come from jiu jitsu. lol :roll: :roll: :P :lol:

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ya no kidding smart *.

 

try reading a few posts down.

 

I even stated in that post that i was guessing off the top of my head, after going back and researching it i reposted. I was wrong, I guess i could have gone back and editted my response but i saw no reason to, I guess the person who posted probably could have done the same research i did but /shrug at least i added what i found.

 

glad to amuse you, and i love reading all your contributions to this board...

 

oh ya nevermind i havent read any.

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jjj did appear in the 16th century, but there is no verifiable proof that it came from china. karate can be traced to china, jjj cannot. There are multiple stories - the one you are referring to is about chen gimpin - a chinese kenpo master who learned three chin na locks from a chin na master. Supposedly, he showed these three locks two three japanese men - two ronin and a physician, I believe. These three men created the first three styles of jjj. Like I said though, that is not verifiable, and has not been proven by historians, AFAIK.

 

The "true arts" you are referring to came into existence during that time because they were necessary. The tokugawa era was quite violent, and skills were needed with both weapons and the empty hand. the "true arts" however, were weapons based and existed long before jujutsu. They weren't necessarily crude, but when people are swinging swords, jujutsu isn't helping me...

 

kenjutsu dates back to the 11th or 12th century, however, there are records of systematic swordplay being taught as far back as the 8th century.

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