YODA Posted January 30, 2002 Posted January 30, 2002 Hi there Henry I assume you're in the UK? (Henly on Thames?). If so I'm afraid your friend is talking utter nonsense. A martial artist has exactly the same rights regarding the use of force as every other citizen - namely the use of "Reasonable Force" as follows... Section 3 Criminal Law Act 1967 A person may use such force as is reasonable in the circumstances in the prevention of a crime or in affecting or assisting in the lawful arrest of offenders or of persons unlawfully at large. Also..... Lord Griffin in applying the use of force to the question of self defence If no more force than is necessary is used to repel the attack such force is not unlawful and no crime is committed. Furthermore, a man about to be attacked does not have to wait for his assailant to strike the first blow or fire the first shot, circumstances may justify a pre-emptive strike. There is NO requirement to inform an attacker of ANYTHING. YODA2nd Degree Black Belt : Doce Pares Eskrima https://www.docepares.co.ukQualified Instructor : JKD Concepts https://www.jkdc.co.ukQualified Fitness Instructor (Weights, CV, Circuit, Kinesiology)
SuperMinh Posted January 31, 2002 Posted January 31, 2002 Thanks Yoda . I was a bit worried about what i've just read. At least, there's some chance for us to defend ourselves without being jailed... SuperMinh
YODA Posted January 31, 2002 Posted January 31, 2002 Glad you got some benefit SuperMinh. Here's some more info that you may find usefull... When can you use force? • To defend yourself or another • To defend property • To prevent an arrestable offence e.g. theft, criminal damage, serious assaults etc. When does the force used become unreasonable? When the threat has ceased to be present. If the person attacking you starts to flee you cannot chase him in order to carry on the fight. The force used must be justifiable and of a reasonable level. This basically means "would Joe Bloggs on the No. 6 bus think what you did in the circumstances was reasonable?" Think about it, if things go wrong you will be judged by 12 "Joe Bloggs'" who you have to convince that what you did was acceptable given the circumstances at that time. The Law can quite easily become your “Second Enemy”. People have been convicted as a result of what they said to the Police afterwards rather than what they did at the time. A few things to ponder... If posible play to the audience. Make it very clear to anyone witnessing the assualt that you are the victim. It's all very well being a dynamite martial arts mayhem machine and beating the living snot out of a would be attacker, if the only witness the Police interview says "All I saw was this guy walk up to this other guy and push him. Next thing I knew the pushed guy kicked the crap out of him - all he did was shove him a little!" - The witness may not have seem the guy pull a knife with the other hand as he pushed you, or know, like you do, that this guy has a history of violent assault. Say things like "Hey - what's the problem? I don't want any trouble! Just leave me alone! Put that knife away!" Think! Before you speak When the Police arrive make it very clear that... • You are badly shaken by the experience • You feared for your safety or that of another • You tried to avoid the conflict • You acted in self defence - even if you struck first (and you should!). Playing the macho hero will get you locked in a cell with as much "macho" for company as you can handle I have to say - I cannot take 100% of the credit for supplying this information. Much of it comes via my friend & training partner - who is a serving UK Police Officer. I could go into a lot more detail about this kinda stuff, Victim Selection, Non Verbal Communication, Offensive Weapons Law etc etc - but i've got to dash off to work. _________________ YODA 2nd Degree Black Belt : Doce Pares Eskrima Instructor : JKD Concepts http://www.jkdc.co.uk / http://www.docepares.co.uk [ This Message was edited by: YODA on 2002-01-31 02:20 ] [ This Message was edited by: YODA on 2002-01-31 02:24 ] YODA2nd Degree Black Belt : Doce Pares Eskrima https://www.docepares.co.ukQualified Instructor : JKD Concepts https://www.jkdc.co.ukQualified Fitness Instructor (Weights, CV, Circuit, Kinesiology)
Henry South Posted January 31, 2002 Author Posted January 31, 2002 dear yoda, i thank you for enlightening me, if you hadnt posted that i would proberly still be walking around clueless! anyway thank you again im sure my class will find that incredablely interesting. yours sincerly Henry South
Phantasmatic Posted January 31, 2002 Posted January 31, 2002 Thats rather weird...I have heard similar laws in guarding your home, like if the guy is in your house, you can shoot him but if he is running out of the house you can't. I don't know if that is similar but it is a pretty screwed up law, by the way, I DONT HAVE SCHOOL TODAY!!!!! Oh yeah, and check my cool sig: http://roninx.netfirms.com/ph.jpg "Which one is more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?" - Obi Wan Kenobi
YODA Posted January 31, 2002 Posted January 31, 2002 That sig's gonna get you into trouble YODA2nd Degree Black Belt : Doce Pares Eskrima https://www.docepares.co.ukQualified Instructor : JKD Concepts https://www.jkdc.co.ukQualified Fitness Instructor (Weights, CV, Circuit, Kinesiology)
kicker Posted January 31, 2002 Posted January 31, 2002 yes he will as long as he doesn't keep it on there when you do your best it`s going to show. "If you watch the pros, You will learn something new"
Blade13 Posted February 6, 2002 Posted February 6, 2002 My mom is a Georgia State Patrol officer and here we are allowed to defend ourselves to the full extent of our potential as soon as someone draws their arm back to hit you! So....If anyone is in Georgia, dont hesitate to defend yourself. NO WARNING NEEDED! Cool huh? lol
AnonymousOne Posted February 6, 2002 Posted February 6, 2002 In my country you dont have to do that. You whip his ass and dont have to apologise. Cool eh? 7th Dan ChidokaiA true combat warrior has to be hard as nails in mind, body and soul. Warriors are action takers and not action fakers. If you are cruising, make time for losing
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