What did Bruce Lee die from?

[Drunken Monkey]

what can i say?

 

i'm grouchy in the morning

 

and ever since they closed the little high street post office, i've had to queue for way too long at the big one in the town centre.

 

anyway.

 

where do i make a mention of him being an actor?

 

where do i insult him?

 

where do i diminish him?

 

everything i say here is, apart from my little conjecture about the fight situation, has been shown in other sources.

 

you are right.

 

i don't know you or how you train.

 

am i full of myself?

 

maybe.

 

or is it just confidence?

 

i'm not setting out to argue with you.

 

but when i keep seeing the same old things being said (not just by you) without any background knowledge other than what is presented by representatives of the bruce lee estate, i get 'twitchy'.

 

this isn't a personal attack.

 

rather it is targeted for all of the people i have ever had say to me, 'yeah, i know wing chun' and couldn't even stand in stance properly, couldn't step, pivot, punch, couldn't 'walk'.

[47MartialMan]

Hmmnn

[Drunken Monkey]

perhaps i should just keep quiet.

 

my big mouth gets me into all sorts of trouble.

 

gotta train my EQ.

[47MartialMan]

DM, I like your posts, well most of them.

 

But, you know what I say about opinions......

[GhostlySykanRyu]

"perhaps i should just keep quiet. "

 

Yes, we'd best leave this one alone...I'm tired of being referred to as one of your statistics. *shrugs*

[47MartialMan]

I don't think anyone should "keep quiet". Perhaps more "tactful" when voicing opinions.

 

I mean, I dont believe anyone has intentional bashing or insults.

[Rick]

Drunken Monkey - I always thought that Bruce was Yip Man's most exceptional student and that he learned exceedingly quickly, and did indeed learn quite a large amount (indeed more than half) of the wingchun system. How did u find out that he didn't, and kept getting beaten by his seniors?

 

And i'm also certain that he taught wingchun to support himself while he was completing his philosophy degree, not simply for egotistical reasons.

 

But look, it doesn't matter, each to their own man, we're just here to share, not to cause arguments that make the forum any less fun that it is.

 

Rick

[Drunken Monkey]

i highlight so that people can see clearly what i am responding to.

 

it helps keep the post clear and make it easier to understand what i am refering to.

 

he wasn't yip man's most exceptional student.

 

he was 'gifted' and he really did want to learn.

 

you have to remember that at that time, yip man had many, many students, not all of which were actually keen on learning wing chun as a fighting art.

 

people with bruce lee's enthusiasm were rare (but not unheard of).

 

it can be said that he was a favourite

 

but again, this was more down to the fact that he was one of the few who would go and test his skills in real fights.

 

this testing, as well as who he trained with is what 'gave' him his fighting skills.

 

which brings us to the topic of what he learnt.

 

wing chun consists of three hand forms, two weapon forms and the dummy form.

 

as far as i know, yip man only ever taught bruce lee the first two forms and part of the dummy form.

 

this was in the span of four years.

 

like i said, what he did do that many didn't do, was test his abilities.

 

he learning speed wasn't exceptional but he worked hard.

 

what he lacked in knowledge/technique, he made up for with sheer ability.

 

i.e what he knew, he really could use

 

which isn't always the case with people who train in wing chun.

 

(god knows i can't use everything i've been taught...)

 

why did he teach wing chun?

 

who knows?

 

whatever it was for, it wasn't just for any one reason.

 

the most famous of the people who bruce lee couldn't beat was the guy who really taught him wing chun.

 

wong shun leung was the person who actually taught/trained bruce lee while he was yip man's school.

 

but then again, being one of the few guys who attended the after school classes, bruce lee had the opportunity to cross hands with people like, wong shun leung, cheung hok kin and cheung chuk hing;

 

guys who participated in the famous rooftop fights on a regular basis.

 

my 'problem' is almost the same as yours.

 

you don't like to see people 'bash' bruce lee.

 

i don't like to see people give more credit than is due.

 

and it matters to me.

 

the point of places like this is so that people can share things that they know of.

 

sometimes, the result of this sharing is that people offer conflicting statements.

 

if i see something that i don't agree with, i will point it out and give reason as to why i do not agree.

 

i expect others to do the same to the thing that i post.

 

if i am wrong, tell me

 

cos i'll sure as hell tell you if i think you're wrong about something.

 

if you don't tell me, i will just post that incorrect statement again elsewhere

 

and what good will that do?

 

is that really unreasonable?

 

debate about a topic shouldn't involve emotion beause we are discussing a 'dead' thing,

 

normally about events, facts, techniques.

 

it isn't personal.

[47MartialMan]

Yes, but where do each get their facts? How do they prove their facts? Facts, like anything are told from different perspectives. How can one state something factual, without even being there? And if they were there, what will stop them from forming their own explanation or opinion slightly different from the event happening?? It is like two (or more) different religion philosophies.

 

In all, it is formulated opinions that have conflicting views. None actuallly right or wrong.

 

And, I thought William Cheung was also a authority of this.

[Drunken Monkey]

bruce lee himself said that he could never beat wong shun leung

 

and that as an in-joke, wong shun leung was asked to be the final person at the top of the tower in the game of death.

 

(y'know, so that bruce could beat him for once)

 

unfortunately, wong sifu had other obligations at the time.

 

you might've read that wong sifu was 'unbeaten' in the rooftop fights.

 

no one from any of the schools involved have ever denied this.

 

in fact, he was so respected that he was often referee for these fights.