sAtelitte Posted July 6, 2004 Posted July 6, 2004 Just out of interest, do you practice kip up in your MA school sAtelitte?Yes, but i have never seen it, draven chen zhen told me they had practiced kip one lesson 5 or 6 months ago (before i started). So i'm guessing it's not an important part of our training, just something to practice in between. https://www.shaolin.be
White Warlock Posted July 7, 2004 Posted July 7, 2004 It not important. It's showy and not a very 'smart' way to get up off the ground, to once again face your adversary. "When you are able to take the keys from my hand, you will be ready to drive." - Shaolin DMV TestIntro
Drunken Monkey Posted July 7, 2004 Posted July 7, 2004 ...yeah but you're missing the point... they look good, and when you're 15/16, that's more important than actual use... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Red Triangle student Posted July 20, 2004 Posted July 20, 2004 This would be commonly known as the "Nip up." Plus may I just say that Martial Arts has a lot more to it than just acrobatics. "To be elated at success, and dissappointed at defeat, is to be the child of Circumstances." I wish I followed that rule! ^^ I hate Losing!
Rotten Head Fok Posted July 20, 2004 Posted July 20, 2004 It not important. It's showy and not a very 'smart' way to get up off the ground, to once again face your adversary. I am curious WW, what is a good way to get up off the floor to face your opponent ? (IYO) You must be stable and balanced in your foot work, if you have to use your martial knowledge in combat, your intent should be to win. If you do strike, you must release great power! The martial arts are easy to learn, but difficult to correct.
Luckykboxer Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 well the absolute best way i have seen was actually taught in brazilian jiu jitsu. you have one leg straight in front of you, you are on your butt facing your opponent, your other leg is bent with knee in air and foot on ground. you take your opposite hand from your bent leg and put it on the ground and then swing your straight leg all the way through and behind you, as you stand to a fighting stance. I have been taught many different ways and this is what i prefer the most
Rotten Head Fok Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 LB this move does not suprise me, coming from BJJ. I would think that ground-work is essential in every martial artists arsonal. As with most scenarios what your opponent does will sometimes dictate what you do. Thanks LB. You must be stable and balanced in your foot work, if you have to use your martial knowledge in combat, your intent should be to win. If you do strike, you must release great power! The martial arts are easy to learn, but difficult to correct.
Drunken Monkey Posted July 21, 2004 Posted July 21, 2004 ..y'know, that 'get up' you describe sounds a lot like something done in capoeria.... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
White Warlock Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 I am curious WW, what is a good way to get up off the floor to face your opponent ? Depends on where your opponent is, how far away he is, and what posture he maintains. The idea is to not expose yourself, to keep your defenses up, to not lose sight of your opponent, and to go on the offense if possible. With the kip-up, you expose your groin and a few other ripe targets, you occupy all of your limbs that could otherwise be used for defense, you lose sight of your opponent as you flip up, and you do not commit to any action whatsoever that could be deemed as offensive (well, except to my sensibilities). Additionally, the kip-up is a complete and committed action that does not lend itself well to transitioning to other actions. "When you are able to take the keys from my hand, you will be ready to drive." - Shaolin DMV TestIntro
Drunken Monkey Posted July 23, 2004 Posted July 23, 2004 also, it is very, very slow. 'wind up'-support-release-push-land-ready-survey. the whirling thing you see in films is a much quicker 'flash' move that forces oponent to give you space as you get up but still too committed. as i (almost) pointed out before, check out some of the roles to negetiva to ginga (and variations) movements in capoeria especially from angola. covers, moves you out of the way, and you keep looking at opponent (as you do in capoeria anyway...) and its nice and compact...but only if you're good.... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
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