White Warlock Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 Well i'm dang sure not going to have sex, with a stranger i just met, while wearing UFC-type boxing gloves. "When you are able to take the keys from my hand, you will be ready to drive." - Shaolin DMV TestIntro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rotten Head Fok Posted July 2, 2004 Share Posted July 2, 2004 Thanks for the info Thuggish You must be stable and balanced in your foot work, if you have to use your martial knowledge in combat, your intent should be to win. If you do strike, you must release great power! The martial arts are easy to learn, but difficult to correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shotokanwarrior Posted July 6, 2004 Share Posted July 6, 2004 just wondering, did the old masters with big knuckles and hard hands complain about this condition when they were older? Where Art ends, nature begins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wing chun kuen man Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 shotokanwarrior, Many traditional martial artists in Okinawa and China do condition their hands and feet/legs. To prevent permanent damage and problems in later life they use herbal linaments which they rub on the areas they condition both before and after the conditioning exercises. The chinese name for these remedies is Dee Dai Jo (not sure of spelling). I use this remedy regularly in my training. There are some martial artists who also take remedies that are taken internally to prevent internal organ damage from hard conditioning exercises. If your training involves hand and foot/leg conditioning then I would strongly recommend the use of Dee Dai Jo linament to prevent long term damage and problems in later life. Try to find authentic brands. You may be able to find them from local chinese herbalist or if you have a traditional kung fu school nearby then ask the sifu he might know where you can buy the linament. Wing Chun Kuen Man Real traditional martial arts training is difficult to find.....most dojos in the west are Mcdojos....some are better and some are worst....but they are what they are....do you train in one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Monkey Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 ...i wouldn't put much faith in tit adr jow... mostly it's used as anti-bruising (or to help bruising go quicker). it's not used as a 'conditioning' agent (well, as far as i'm aware... but then what do i know....) post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luckykboxer Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 Dit Da Jow is an herbal remedy that i use frequently on bruises. It doesnt condition as far as i know, and every instruction i have recieved on how to you use both written and verbal have stated its basically to disipate the negative energy and allow the blood to flow through the area and heal it faster. now translate negative energy to the blood that is what a bruise is, and it doesnt sound so mystical, i have noticed that my bruises heal much faster when i use the Dit Da Jow and rub it in... now whether its the ointment or the rubbing or both i dont know. as far as conditioning I use Thai Oil sometimes before a fight, its similar to ben gay or icey hot. I still owuldnt all it conditioning so much as a numbing This may not even be what you are talking about, there are so many ointments but it sounded as if it was Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Monkey Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 ..there's also this chinese stuff. modern, quite minty that seems to help sore knuckles. but that's more like numbing too..... i prefer it to the dit dar jow but that might be i have really bad memories of that nasty brown stuff. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vito Posted July 7, 2004 Share Posted July 7, 2004 You guys seem to miss the point- a lot of use of a heavy bag still damages your knuckles, doesn't it? I don't think the old guys had heavy bags like we do these days. Dit jow, tai chi, or whatever other mysticism oriental thing can't change alter knuckle damage either. I don't know about you guys, but I've found my fists conditioned just by doing bag work with gloves on (I also like the fingerless ones, though I've used all kinds.) That's not to say that my knuckes are hard as rock or anything, but they're perfectly fine for punching someone repeatedly, which is really all I care about. "If an injury has to be done to a man it should be so severe that his vengeance need not be feared." -Machiavelli Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wing chun kuen man Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 If you use REAL dit dai jow then its main affect will be to help in the healing of your bruises and to prevent long term damage from conditioning exercises. I hope that this time I made my point clearer. Vito, prevention is better than cure. Some of the old masters may or may not have used heavy bags but many used to punch trees and solid rocks to condition with bare knuckles to condition them. In many cases they used herbal linaments and internally taken remedies to minimize and prevent long term damage. Wing Chun Kuen Man Real traditional martial arts training is difficult to find.....most dojos in the west are Mcdojos....some are better and some are worst....but they are what they are....do you train in one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Monkey Posted July 8, 2004 Share Posted July 8, 2004 ...dit dar jow=fall hit alcohol. it is the old chinese wonder substance that we, as children had rubbed painfully (which i'm sure had no effect on the bruise dissipation at all...) onto bruises and sprains and other non-broken skin injuries. the point of it's use after doing punch-bag exercises was that it, being alcohol based, would clean and sterilise the local areas and the herbs was supposed to help in the healing (although how much can you absorb through the skin on such a small area?). the herbs and what have you (i can give you my village's special recipe if you like.... does that count as real?) are just the ones that are/were widely taken to be good for cuts and bruises. the same stuff is often found in soup/medicine mixes. as a side note, wanna know what a popular soup that is good for bones and joints is? chicken feet, peanuts, mung beans, the funny earth stuff, some kinda bark + another mysterious long white thing (some kinds root). as i am always too keen to point out. the old chinese medicines aren't all they are cracked up to be. the ever popluar ginseng can cause heart and kidney failure if you take too much. and let's not even talk about lingzhi..... i really don't get it. why is it, when a lot of chinese people readily accept that a lot of chinese things, especially psuedo/mock ancient chinese stuff is bunk, you guys in the west are so willing to take them as they are fed to you... some things work but that doesn't mean all things work. i have a very personal story of an experience with a highly respected chinese herbalist/doctor/healer. let's just say that he couldn't have been more wrong in his diagnosis. like someone's tag says. what happened to the *** given right to think? post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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