Thuggish Posted June 30, 2004 Posted June 30, 2004 i dont know if this topic belongs here, in the boxing section, or in the health/training section; but im putting it here because i always hear it said in this forum that boxers train with gloves and dont know how to punch correctly without them. ive never had this problem, but apparently some people do. anyway, i recently got those gloves not unlike the ufc fighters use- the small bag gloves that have individual finger slots and holes at the ends. that glove feels a lot more like a natural fist to me- as it keeps the normal shape of the hand, and i think if one used those instead of those big bulky boxing gloves, one would be more prepared to throw a punch without any gloves on. anyone else have this experience, any thoughts, etc? personally id recommend them for anyone with a heavy bag who wants to prepare for something other than ring fighting. a broken arm throws no punches
White Warlock Posted June 30, 2004 Posted June 30, 2004 but im putting it here because i always hear it said in this forum that boxers train with gloves and dont know how to punch correctly without them. ive never had this problem, but apparently some people do. First off, let me say i used to box, as a youth and since. Nowadays i just 'check' my skills, make sure they're still there. The argument posed is not that boxers don't know how to punch correctly (although, in some respects they don't), but that they train to punch hard targets and generally head-hunt. When practicing this with gloves on, you have 'padding' that protects you from injuries to your hands for committing such actions. Boxers practice hitting hard targets all the time, and all the time with gloves on, so they get conditioned into striking things like the skull or chin, with a closed fist, and often with the flat of their fist, as opposed to the leading knuckles. Such things lead to broken fingers, usually at the first joint. Unless you spend an exhorbitant amount of time conditioning your hand to take the punishment of striking hard objects (which, btw, is a seriously bad idea in this day and age), it won't be able to handle a hard/hard strike. This is why those so-called no-holds barred fighters that didn't wear gloves, performed strikes with open palms. If done correctly, open palms on hard targets can be very effective. However, being able to do so requires practice. A general training concept that i push, i call hard/soft. It is to strike at a hard part of the opponent's body (skull, chin, hip, knee, etc) with a soft part of your body, and vice versa. Such an action ensures there is always a degree of 'natural padding.' With this padding in place, the striker is allowed to present 100% power, rather than shy away due to the concern for personal injury. As to the gloves you mention. I like them. I've goofed around with them and enjoyed them over any other type of glove. But, and i say this with complete conviction, they're still gloves. They are not items you can slip on while being mugged. In many respects, they're like practicing how to slice with a sword, without ever taking the scabbard off. "When you are able to take the keys from my hand, you will be ready to drive." - Shaolin DMV TestIntro
Thuggish Posted June 30, 2004 Author Posted June 30, 2004 exactly, when i use bag gloves on a heavy bag, its only natural to use the part that covers my fingers. on the street i know not to, but i guess many dont. but with these gloves (which id say are necessary for hitting a hard heavy bag) you get more of a feel of a real fist and can concentrate on hitting correctly, as if you had no fist. you need them for hitting certain inanimate objects, i dont understand how theyre like practicing with a sword still in its sheath. a broken arm throws no punches
Drunken Monkey Posted July 1, 2004 Posted July 1, 2004 um, i've never worn anything on my hands when i punch a bag (of any sort). might explain the bleeding.... and dark patches on my knuckles.... i know, i'll get to fifty and have no use of my hands. but hell, if it was good enough for my ancestors, it's good enough for me! post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
White Warlock Posted July 1, 2004 Posted July 1, 2004 i know, i'll get to fifty and have no use of my hands. but hell, if it was good enough for my ancestors, it's good enough for me!You mean apes that dragged their knuckles on the ground? "When you are able to take the keys from my hand, you will be ready to drive." - Shaolin DMV TestIntro
TheDevilAside Posted July 1, 2004 Posted July 1, 2004 lol "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill
Drunken Monkey Posted July 1, 2004 Posted July 1, 2004 hey, remember... <---- says drunken monkey up there. i mean, my knuckles still drag along the ground... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Thuggish Posted July 1, 2004 Author Posted July 1, 2004 ...all joking aside, put some gloves on. get the kinds i mentioned, i promise youll like them. 50? try 40 if not in your thirties when you get some serious problems. which will only get worse by the time youre fifty, by the way. dont be stupid, man- would you have sex with a stranger you just picked up without wearing a rubber? a broken arm throws no punches
TheDevilAside Posted July 2, 2004 Posted July 2, 2004 Would you have sex with a stranger you just picked up in the first place? "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill
Thuggish Posted July 2, 2004 Author Posted July 2, 2004 yea, if shes hot a broken arm throws no punches
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