G Money Slick Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 Which would you recommend as a system of self defense. If your enemy refuses to be humbled......you must destroy him.
aefibird Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 Depends what you want from karate. Kyokushin is full contact sparring, whereas Shotokan often isn't, although there are exceptions to this. Like most styles, it rather depends on the school than the style. My school is very street self defense focused (plus my isntructor has trained in other karate styles & other martial arts, so he incorporates this into lessons), but some Shotokan clubs are very much kata based. Same with kyokushin - some are focused towards sport/tournament fights and some have more of a 'street' element of self defence in them. I'd always recommend a good Shotokan club to anyone - Shotokan is my first style and I love it. I have no hesitation about recommending it as a form of self-defence, especially if you get an instructor that knows their stuff. However, the same is true of Kyokushin - a great style if you get a good instructor. Just out of interest, why do you ask? Are you thinking of starting Shotokan or Kyokushin? "Was it really worth it? Only time and death may ever tell..." The Beautiful South - The Rose of My CologneSheffield Steelers!
Ironberg Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 I'd recommend Kyokushin to any obsessed sparring freak. I'd be taking Kyokushin if I had the chance. "An enlightened man would offer a weary traveler a bed for the night, and invite him to share a civilized conversation over a bowl of... Cocoa Puffs."
TheDevilAside Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 Ditto "If you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill
EvilTed Posted June 29, 2004 Posted June 29, 2004 What about Enshin? If you are in Denver Colorado, you should check this out: http://honbu.enshin.com/ more schools here: http://www.enshin.com/index2.html Enshin, like World Oyama, is a first generation Kyokushin derivative. Osu! ET
Dijita Posted June 30, 2004 Posted June 30, 2004 Hehe, I know my opinion is bias... but.... I LOVE Kyokushin! We do full contact in our classes and in our tournements. I've done point sparring tournements before but I have way more fun when I get to hit people hard, without protective gear, as well as take the hits. I also have the opinion that practicing with more realistic contact will benefit you slightly more. I know a lot of people that enjoy Shotokan as well. Perhaps you should take a few classes at both schools and decide for yourself what you like.
P.A.L Posted June 30, 2004 Posted June 30, 2004 How about injuries , do you guys think chance of injury is way higher in Kyukoshin? Some of us really can’t afford the risk because of work. One guy in our class broke his forearm while blocking in full contact spar and he was a surgeon. he called our sensei the next day complaining that he can’t go to operation room anymore.
Dijita Posted June 30, 2004 Posted June 30, 2004 Hrmm... I'm not really sure about he injuries. I think in tournements, yes a Kyokushin practitioner probably has a better chance for injuries. I've seen some broken ribs, a few concussions, and more commonly broken toes and fingers. However, I don't know what to say about class. I mean injuries do happen and I'm sure they happen in all styles of martial arts. I know that our instructor does what he can to try and minimize our risks for injury.
iolair Posted July 1, 2004 Posted July 1, 2004 I started in Seido Karate - a style that is an offshoot of Kyokushinkai. After reaching 8th Kyu, I went to another style and was very quickly promoted well beyond that. Why? Because Seido had worked me so hard and given me such a high level of technique and basic sparring. Well, it might just be the club/instructor, but I found the Seido (Kyokushin based) a much stronger style all-round than the Shotokan I did. Currently: Kickboxing and variants.Previously: Karate (Seido, Shotokan, Seidokan), Ju Jitsu, Judo, Aikido, Fencing.
shotochem Posted July 1, 2004 Posted July 1, 2004 Hi Guys, I currently study Shototkan. Yes, its true that in tournaments there is only controlled contact and point fighting. However, in the dojo at brown and up the amount of hard contact goes up quite a bit. We free spar as well as point spar. With adults brown and up there is pretty much full contact to the torso (waist to shoulders and controlled contact to the face. If you don't block you will get hit. IMO, the term "full contact" is overused and misrepresented. I would consider what we do full contact. If I have my partner beat I will give him a shot to let him know I got him. I do not try to blast him. There is no point. We are there to help each other. If I can hit you with 50% power does that mean I couldn't throw 100% if I wanted? Its just as realistic only we get to go to work the next day instead of the ER. Pain is only temporary, the memory of that pain lasts a lifetime.
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