chylaxin Posted June 14, 2004 Posted June 14, 2004 I think just about everyone has had a friend who is a black belt in a point sparring art. Then one day trouble occurs in real life and they get a thrashing. Your friend was so quick to fight because he/she overlooked their abilities. When you don't train full contact you won't be ready for the harsh reality of pain. I feel as if most people are scared to get hurt and expect to use their abilites for defense purposes. If one cannot deal with reality then they are in denial. I think arts such as full contact karate(kyokushin, enshin, takemichikaikan), thai boxing, and the many grappling arts prepare students for the harsh reality. Give me your opinions. For an article on the subject go to https://www.realfightingdojo.com and go to news and read on. Takemichikaikan..............real fighting
Thuggish Posted June 14, 2004 Posted June 14, 2004 i agree. most 'martial arts' have little to do with actual fighting, at least karate and tkd and kung fu and all that junk. a broken arm throws no punches
DLopez Posted June 14, 2004 Posted June 14, 2004 I think just about everyone has had a friend who is a black belt in a point sparring art. Then one day trouble occurs in real life and they get a thrashing. Your friend was so quick to fight because he/she overlooked their abilities. Whatever. I don't know anyone who has had this experience. I don't even know anyone who knows anyone who's had this experience. I think the premise of your argument is flawed from the get-go, and your conclusion is nothing more than just another opinion... which is fine. If you want to belive you're invincible because you train full contact, go for it, but don't be upset when none of us worship you for it. You're not the first one to come here and make such boisterous claims, and you won't be the last. Yawn. DeanDahn Boh Nim - Black-Brown BeltKuk Sool Won"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow." - James Dean
chylaxin Posted June 14, 2004 Author Posted June 14, 2004 I don't know when I did say I was this amazing thing Dlopez but I'm just giving my opinion considering it just happened to my friend who is a bb in tkd. Also people never in contact situations cannot respond as prepared as those who are. Thats what I was saying but you wanted to take the role of amazing intellectual who defends those not even insulted. Takemichikaikan..............real fighting
White Warlock Posted June 14, 2004 Posted June 14, 2004 (edited) As obnoxious as DLopez' post is, he is right. One can 'make up' any story to fit the argument, but stories do not make fact... fact makes fact. Even a single incident doesn't make fact. It only makes an incident. There is no comparative analysis. You cannot determine whether it was because he failed due to being non-contact, failed because he sucked, failed because he was studying TKD, or failed because he simply should have handed over his wallet. You cannot park someone in there, with the exact same mentality and skills, but change 'non-contact' into 'contact.' Real life does not present itself that way, and thus... it is not a fact. The fact is, no matter what system you study, no matter how hard you practice, no matter how many hits in the head you get during training... everything changes in a life-threatening confrontation. Everything. Nothing prepares you for war, nothing prepares you for death, thus nothing can prepare you for a lethal confrontation. All you can do is study hard, and hope those skills you have attained can find an opportunity to present themselves. What truly matters in the study of martial arts, is not the art of war, but the art of peace. It is learning when and where to fight, how to avoid a fight, and how to strive for peace with everyone... because there truly are very few reasons to battle. Edited June 14, 2004 by White Warlock "When you are able to take the keys from my hand, you will be ready to drive." - Shaolin DMV TestIntro
stl_karateka Posted June 14, 2004 Posted June 14, 2004 The fact is, no matter what system you study, no matter how hard you practice, no matter how many hits in the head you get during training... everything changes in a life-threatening confrontation. Everything. Well said WW, now perhaps we can let this die as it is going nowhere positive. stl KarateForums.com Sempai
DLopez Posted June 14, 2004 Posted June 14, 2004 Thanks, WW,... I think. Also people never in contact situations cannot respond as prepared as those who are. That seems to be quite a popular myth. I've not read anything to substantiate it yet though. I would counter by claiming that practicing with light contact takes a concientious effort to hit light because the natural tendency is to hit full contact. In a street fight however, I'm not going to restricted to pulling punches or kicks like I would trying to do in practice. I'd be free to "swing away". If training with light contact causes me to developed muscle memory of pulling my kicks, why don't I find myself pulling my kicks when I kick the bag? DeanDahn Boh Nim - Black-Brown BeltKuk Sool Won"Dream as if you'll live forever. Live as if you'll die tomorrow." - James Dean
battousai16 Posted June 14, 2004 Posted June 14, 2004 "If training with light contact causes me to developed muscle memory of pulling my kicks, why don't I find myself pulling my kicks when I kick the bag?" because you kick a bag. if you did nothing but pull you're kicks and punches in class i whole heartedly believe that's what you'll do in a confrontation. gotta' round your training off that said, i agree with lopez and warlock and them "I hear you can kill 200 men and play a mean six string at the same time..."-Six String Samurai
Thelastdragon Posted June 14, 2004 Posted June 14, 2004 in defense of chylaxin. I think what he is trying to say is that those arts practice as sport dont have the same combat benefits as those arts that practice in real life, And fact is fact, everything does change in a real life situation, I dont dislike people who practice olympic TKD or those who practice any martial art that is a sport. But I do dislike it when they say its a form of self defense when in reality its just for competition. Thats my opinion on it.
SevenStar Posted June 14, 2004 Posted June 14, 2004 Whatever. I don't know anyone who has had this experience. I don't even know anyone who knows anyone who's had this experience.[/b] I do. I've also personally witnessed it. I think the premise of your argument is flawed from the get-go, and your conclusion is nothing more than just another opinion... which is fine. here's a fact about his opinion - when adrenaline rushes and heartbeat raises, you will forget everyting that's not ingrained in your muscle memory. That combined with not knowing how to handle taking a hit is the downfall of most. Taking a hard hit produces similar effect. light contact cannot teach you to cope with such things. If you want to belive you're invincible because you train full contact, go for it, but don't be upset when none of us worship you for it. who cares about worship? should we worship you because of your light contact and hundreds of forms? Yawn.
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