Ti Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 I return to this site after a few months and this is the first post I see. Karate like everything else is what you make of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramymensa Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 I'd say it changed my life for the better too. Not that much in the confidence level, because I'm a radio DJ for more time than doing Karate, and if that's not a confidence booster, I don't see what it is But ... Karate helped me in: - making up plans ... well put and realistic. - working to achieve the goals ... and knowing to see the progress. - FOCUS. I was kinda unfocused. Now I can really work something wothout seeing or hearing anything else. Great for school and work too - humility. Not a fake one, the kind of humility only I feel and see, but it makes me more understanding and respectful - pride .. with myself (was kinda full of complexes). I've learnt to respect me and my body, I'm happy with myself, though far from "perfect". I love and take care of my body and changed some things in my life too. I'm out of line, hope you can see where I'm aiming World Shotokan Karate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jade Posted June 8, 2004 Author Share Posted June 8, 2004 sounds like arguing for the sake of it..... for a start, jade never mentioned that karate would 'perfect your character'. all that was stated was that she feels she has developed a stronger character becasue of her training. that was the point. what is yours? that you don't think karate can change your character?At least someone understood my point... Yes...i was not saing that in every case Karate has perfected a character person...i know some experienced Karatekas that still act like fool or immature persons... This demostrate that someone train karate only for sport(like soccer, tennis )or to show they can do awesome kicks and pouches...and others try(i say "try") to understand the spiritual training of it even to improve their attitude toward life and world. I'm not claiming karate will always leave a positive influence in everyone...but i feel it in my life....as it may happen in other sports....that's not excluded. "With a bit of imagination, kata can be deadly." - Hidy Ochiai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ant Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 For me it has been a humbling experience that I have learnt to take to other parts of my life. Orpington Shotokan Karate Club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delta1 Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 ...i have learnt that sometimes, the less i say, the clearer it is. Good point! I've seen the MA's change several people, give them more confidence in both physical and social skills. I've known some, and met many more, that turned their selves around after getting into MA's. Datu Kelly Worden will tell youthat he'd probably be in prison if not for his involvement in MA's. Now, he's one of the most respected martial artists around, and his seminars are some of the best you can find, regardless your style. True, other things can change a person. And some of us don't need changing that much. And nothing will change some people. Doesn't invalidate the effectiveness of MA's in helping to better ourselves. Freedom isn't free! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart the Lover Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 I have to agree with Ripper, I'm afraid. I personally haven't changed at all as a result of training. However, I wouldn't deride anyone for saying they had. I just don't think it's an effect exclusive to MAs, as has already been mentioned. I do find it a bit annoying when my instructor bangs on about this. It is my impression that he believes MAs to be helpful in character development to a degree unmatched by anything else. I imagine it is this that Ripper was trying to debunk. Maybe your experience of this depends on where you live. English public schools traditionally use team sports in much the same way. Drunken Monkey wrote:for a start, jade never mentioned that karate would 'perfect your character'. all that was stated was that she feels she has developed a stronger character becasue of her training. Technically, this is true, but she did start her post with reference to articles which do say something approximating this. She didn't say she agreed with them, though. In the end, Jade, if you've found something which aids you in unconnected areas of your life, keep doing it--whether it's MAs, football, or flower arranging. Regards, Bart the Lover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Monkey Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 nope. i can't see any use of the word 'perfect' anwhere except in ripper's post. an effect exclusive to MAs no one said this was the case. this was something that again, ripper said and then which he followed on. he was the one who mentioned 'perfecting of character' and the 'exclusive to ma' points which he followed through. he was arguing about things that no one else had said apart from himself. post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart the Lover Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Ho-hum. Now it is you, DM, who isn't reading posts correctly. I said Jade made reference to articles that approximate this [perfecting your character]. As for no-one saying it is exclusive to MAs, it was my contention that it is implied, rather than explicitly stated--and I used my instructor as an example of this. Perhaps I arranged my paragraphs incorrectly. It wouldn't be the first time. You seem to be hauling Ripper over the coals for previous posts. I was responding to this one only. I have no idea whether he/she habitually sets up a straw man. Regards, Bart the Lover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drunken Monkey Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 making better and perfecting are two very different things. 'perfect' is an absolute. 'making better' is not. you can't approximate perfecting of character. either she said perfect or she didn't. in this case, she didn't. my point still stands. ripper was arguing with himself over something he obviously has issues with and yet his tone was rather abusive towards the author of the thread WHO HAD NEVER said the things he argues against. see? post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bart the Lover Posted June 8, 2004 Share Posted June 8, 2004 Sigh. I'll try again.you can't approximate perfecting of character. either she said perfect or she didn't. in this case, she didn't. Agreed. But she did say:I imagine you have read almost everywhere that Karate is also a character training....to become better persons in every side. And I don't think it's unreasonable of me to connect this with my instructor's beliefs. I was guessing that Ripper was thinking similarly. I thought his tone somewhat aggresive too ('Sorry Jade for ruining your world'), but that is par for the course for the Internet. There's no need to get so het up. See? (said with a wink) Regards, Bart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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