Pressure Point Fighting

[Reklats]

Holy crap... I just realized... The video I have is about one of the instructors of the guy on the website you posted... I have to get htis uploaded...

[Reklats]

https://www.users.muohio.edu/pickerke/dimmak.ram

 

Sorry about the real audio format. It's about 7.5 megs.

[muaythaifreak]

I've had the opportunity to study some pressure point stuff through in-service training. Pressure points work very well if you can apply them. Applying them is the hard part. The only practical use for them that I have personally been able to find is that of gaining the cooperation of an already restrained person. Such as a mandibular angle to make someone stand up. Or a jugular notch to make someone sit down. It's very hard to get most pressure points on an individual who is in control of all his faculties. A knee to the common peronial, (or lateral femoral) is a good one that you can use in a fight though, as well as the brachial plexus. And a hard strike to the radial nerve will loosen anyones grip if done properly. In my opinion though it is too exact of an art to make it generally useful in a confrontation. Of course that is not to say you absolutely could not implement any of them. They are definately VERY useful.

 

http://members.rogers.com/heritage-ma/PPSubmission.pdf

 

here's a good link describing some of the PPS I've been exposed to. Please elaborate upon what this link does not mention as it regards your instruction.

[JKogas]

Since I can't even type the word BULL SHIDO on this forum (piece of crap), go here: and click the links mentioned:

 

http://www.fightingarts.com/forums/ubb/Forum1/HTML/001938.html

 

Check it out and make your draw your own conclusions.

 

 

 

-John

[nitroice0069]

I love how some of you jump to conclusions without ever experiencing the MA or tactic your are getting on. I myself study I martial art that involves many different martial arts(Muay Thai, Kenpo, Tung Soo Do, BJJ, Jeet Kune Do, Hapkido, etc) There are also a lot of pressure points, joint locks, etc. So I have experienced them first hand. If you are taught correctly pressure points will work 99% of the time. Also I have experienced Chi first hand. Before you go saying it is them brainwashing you to believe something or whatever. Let me tell you that I was not told what I should feel or what should happen but I felt some strange things and was actual derived of strength from my body.

 

JamEs

[ppko]

I love how some of you jump to conclusions without ever experiencing the MA or tactic your are getting on. I myself study I martial art that involves many different martial arts(Muay Thai, Kenpo, Tung Soo Do, BJJ, Jeet Kune Do, Hapkido, etc) There are also a lot of pressure points, joint locks, etc. So I have experienced them first hand. If you are taught correctly pressure points will work 99% of the time. Also I have experienced Chi first hand. Before you go saying it is them brainwashing you to believe something or whatever. Let me tell you that I was not told what I should feel or what should happen but I felt some strange things and was actual derived of strength from my body.

 

JamEs

I couldn't have said it better myself.

 

PPKO

[kotegashiNeo]

I have been buzzed by a kyusho practioner that seemed to know what he was doing, it was pretty cool and it definitely caught my attenetion but his helper who was a 25 year old master rubbed me the wrong way and left a bad taste im my mouth about the whole system.

[DLopez]

Pressure points attacks are part of the Kuk Sool Won training... They can be pretty brutal.

 

I will say this in response to the notion that attacking pressure points requires a cooperative opponent, especially the "grapplers" that think tackling someone is all you need to do - grappling has so many weaknesses of its own, the most glaring obvious one is the weight advantage it requires, especially when going up against someone larger than you.

 

Talk about requiring a "cooperative" opponent - like asking your opponent to drop 50 or 60 lbs. before you'll fight them - or are you counting on only fighting guys your size or smaller?

 

The story of the guy trying to reach out and find a pressure point on the BJJ's shoulder tells me he didn't know jack about the various pressure points if he had to grope around for one. They're all over your body, from your head to your toes - you just need to learn where they are.

 

BTW - as far as the notion that it takes too long to learn how to attack pressure points, it may take a while, but it's worth it. Meanwhile, I've been in KSW 2 years now, and I haven't had anyone try to pick a fight with me, so I've not been caught empty handed while I learn some wicked techniques and how to apply them to an uncooperative opponent.

[White Warlock]

For quite some time i've considered myself reasonably educated on pressure points. I also don't consider them very useful, and there are three main reasons for this:

 

1. Mind game

 

My earlier example, of being able to tickle your little sister or brother from a distance (not touching them... just waving you fingers around and they fall to the ground laughing their head off) is done because you previously subjected them to a few (or many) 'actual' tickle assaults. This is the basis for why 'some' pressure point systems are based on a misconception.

 

Many instructors of pressure point systems are, in fact, slowly training the minds of their students to be susceptible to these techniques. Such things are witnessed with faith healers, voodooists, cultists, and hypnotists, where a person is given a suggestion, the suggestion is reinforced via stimuli (pain, fear, embarrassment, etc) and that suggestion becomes a personal reality. This is one of the main reasons these instructors are unable to affect their techniques outside of their 'domain of control' (aka: dojo and subordinate students). They simply don't have the position of authority to affect these things, and have not had the time to 'prep' these strangers into being susceptible.

 

2. Not instinctual

 

The underlying flaw to 'real' pressure point techniques are it is almost impossible to bring such studies out of the 'thinking' process and into the 'doing' process. What i mean by this is, it is exceedingly unlikely that you can train your mind or your body to instinctively apply pressure points during a 'live' incident. Things happen too fast and pressure points become an afterthought. In fact, that's the problem... they ARE a thought. This is because such studies are not instinctive.

 

3. Chemically influenced

 

To rub this a little further, of the times i have implemented pressure point techniques, they don't work too well on opponents whose muscles are pumped up, who is adrenaline-filled, riding high on uppers, genuinely furious, riding low on downers, drunk as a wild turkey, hyperventilating, generally whacked out of their mind, etc...

 

When you consider that the vast majority of 'life-threatening' confrontations fall into one of the above categories, i would say it's cute but mostly ineffective... when it counts. Best thing to do is focus instead on studying vital areas and making 'that' second nature.

 

And for a shortcut on vital areas, whatever is ticklish, is also exploitable. Vital areas are masses that exist all about the body. It is far more instinctive to learn and generally they are far easier to attack.

Edited June 11, 2004 by White Warlock

[MauyThaiMonster]

excellent post warlock, never thought of those points.