Pressure Point Fighting

[Reklats]

I see the average striking art as some form of kickboxing.

 

You need to do some real grappling before you can understand completely I guess. To me, "diving in" is not playing to the bigger person's strength. It's quite the opposite. I personally would consider standing and trading blows with a larger person to be playing to their strength.

 

I called you on your wrong statements about grappling because I know grappling well. You made specific comments about grappling that happened to be completely wrong. I didn't try to use my knowledge of pressure points to point out their flaws, I just posted a video.

 

Sorry, I didn't mean to hijack this thread.

[DLopez]

DLopez, i get the feeling you have a different definition for pressure points than that of the Dillman group. Sounds more to me like you're referring to vital areas, but maybe if you describe 'your' training on pps, this could get cleared up a bit quicker.

 

WW, what we call pressure points in KSW are just that. Areas of the body where when pressure is applied, it causes much (and extreme if done just right) pain. Some people are more susceptible to certain pressure points than others, but the whole point (no pun inteneded ) of the pressure point attack is to force your opponent "cooperate" so that you can complete a joint lock or control technique.

 

The other person is not going to be disabled by the pain of the pressure point attack, but he will react in a way by design that allows you to more easily complete the joint lock or control technique.

 

Hope that helps.

I personally would consider standing and trading blows with a larger person to be playing to their strength.

 

Here we agree Reklats, trading blows is definitely a bad idea! That's why I emphasized outmaneuvering and picking when and where to attack.

[Reklats]

That's why I emphasized outmaneuvering and picking when and where to attack.

 

Easier said than done.

[DLopez]

Easier said than done.

 

No doubt, but tackling and wrestling a guy that outweighs you isn't?

[SBN Doug]

Just to clear up the miscommunication between White Warlock and DLopez:

 

WW, KSW does not use the same philosophy as the Dillman system. We do not train to strike a specific series of points in order to incapacitate an opponent. We use them to assist in positioning a part of the opponent's body for a lock, break, or throw.

 

However, I can only speak for the training to 5th degree. Everything above that is not pubilcized.

[wolfman]

pressure point fighting doesn't have to be no touch ko's or touch hits.

 

The two schools of thought that i've heard on press point fighting is that you could train to hit specific points or hit several locations with full body power and activate one or many of the press points. And most points or areas i've learned are obvious ones like the groin and the knees. So it doesn't take a whole lot of training to learn how to hit vital areas.

[White Warlock]

So it doesn't take a whole lot of training to learn how to hit vital areas.

Agreed. Vital areas you instinctively know exist. And to not confuse this discussion further, i won't elaborate because we're not talking about vital areas.

And most points or areas i've learned are obvious ones like the groin and the knees.

As i stated in an earlier post on this thread, pressure points are not the same as vital areas. Please differentiate.

[ppko]

DLopez, i get the feeling you have a different definition for pressure points than that of the Dillman group. Sounds more to me like you're referring to vital areas, but maybe if you describe 'your' training on pps, this could get cleared up a bit quicker.

Actual every once and a while my Sensei will ask random people in the waiting room or out in the lobby if they would like to be in a demonstration. Trust me it effects them too.

I'm not surprised. I'm also not surprised that you didn't understand my post.

For your second point. What brings you to say parry a hand away then back fist them. Its not instinct, instinct would tell you to push/punch back not defend against it.

Please don't confuse instinct with muscle memory. Instinctively you know where your joints are and how they move (basic mechanics), where you are ticklish (basic anatomy), and leverage vs power (basic physics). The study of pressure points is not instinctual.

Pressure points also work on people that are drunk. Have you ever seen a drunk person tell stories. They over exaggerate them. Well they do that to pain also.

I get the impression you think i was born yesterday. I was not, so please... no double talk.

 

Some drunk people tell stories and some drunk people exaggerate, as do some 'sober' people. But, if we were to push this drunk angle, this is due to a decrease in inhibitions. Your argument about pain falls flat on its face, as those inebriated are actually less susceptible to pain.

Beside if you are fighting a drunk person chances are that they are so drunk they wont be able to hit you in the first place and will just fall over after they throw a couple "haymakers".

One does not relate to the other. Just because it might be easier to fight a drunk person does not substantiate the effectiveness or relevancy of pressure points.

All you have to do is work set patterns of movement to make them instictual , they are just like anything else.

Then we are in disagreement. Especially since instinct and 'mind/body' training are not one and the same. You could train yourself to override instinct, as long as 'fight/flight' doesn't override you. As i stated above, seems both of you misunderstood the paragraph on instinct and therein assumed incorrectly what i was inferring.

 

Before i continue with these discussions... may i be so intrusive as to ask how long either of you (nitroice0069, ppko) have been studying pressure points?

for about 10 years ( not all with the Dillman Group)