Mart Posted June 5, 2004 Author Posted June 5, 2004 I think you make an interesting point Monkey. However i would say that the technique should not be sloppy, full contact is by no means swining your arms like mad at your opponent, though i have seen places where this is the case. Full contact should be done slowly to start off with and built up so correct technique is maintained until it can be done correctly at full speed. Your point is fully valid under certain conditions. The instruction needs to be of a high standard so that technique practiced on the pads is not lost when sparring. Seize the day!
Drunken Monkey Posted June 5, 2004 Posted June 5, 2004 nonono, not what i mean. i mean, the semi-contact guys play at their game using moves that work in 'perfect' scenarios. these moves the full contact guys do not practice, hence they do not expect them and maybe have nothing prepared for dealing with them. whereas the guys who do these moves (which are normally harder to execute? or not...) only have to learn the full contact game play. but i do see your point about how full contact is learnt/taught/trained. i guess the semi contact guys i mentioned would have to learn the full contact damn well before they can begin to apply their original moves. hmm... interesting.... post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Mart Posted June 6, 2004 Author Posted June 6, 2004 only have to learn the full contact game. I think this is 50 to 60% of what i do. I cant agree with you on this. The full contact aspect is really hard, there are so many lessons to be learnt and for each person these are different. Each person must find what they can and cant apply and try to work on what is difficult for them. There are so many other things to learn from it , i could write a book on it. We still try and execute the techniques perfectly but under whole range of different pressures. Seize the day!
Ripper Posted June 6, 2004 Posted June 6, 2004 It always makes me laugh when i spar guys full contact under any rules they like and they realise that the techniques they want to use dont work when theyve just been hit. Bragging is so easy behind the keyboard. René
Mart Posted June 6, 2004 Author Posted June 6, 2004 Im not braggin im telling the truth, if you want to ry it it out find your neares MT or KK gym and ask to spar full contact and then you wil know what i mean. If your so certain go and try, if you want to set some rules they may go along with them as well. Seize the day!
Drunken Monkey Posted June 6, 2004 Posted June 6, 2004 whoa, i think you misunderstand. my "only learn" is more of a "only learn" get it? post count is directly related to how much free time you have, not how intelligent you are."When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite."
Mart Posted June 6, 2004 Author Posted June 6, 2004 lol, yeah i understand monkey, you kust dont like full contact Seize the day!
Ripper Posted June 6, 2004 Posted June 6, 2004 ......and ask to spar full contact You don't get my point Mart. I said it's all games with certain rules. If you ask a semicontact person to fight full contact you might be right that he will loose (it also might go the other way; as I said it's the person, not the style that makes the difference). Now change it around. Why don't you go to a karategym and fight to their (semicontact)rules? You seem to think that full contact is the real thing while it isn't. Neither is semicontact. René
White Warlock Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 One of the things i've always loved and hated about san soo, is their pristine drills. Essentially, you practice the perfect assembly of techniques. The opponent strikes, or thinks of striking, and the san sooist performs a series of attacks, in succession, to totally overwhelm and immobilize/kill the opponent. I've had people argue that such a session is useless, as a real life confrontation never works out so perfectly. My argument is that san soo allows you to not only 'visualize' the perfect series of attacks (always different series of attacks and always against different threats), but you can 'practice' them. It is a similar practice as that of a diver, who visualizes the perfect dive, and then performs it. By practicing a perfect attack, the san soo practitioner is more likely to be able to perform a perfect attack. However, visualization is not enough. One needs to learn to get dirty, to not flinch when hit and not push a technique when already countered. That's where full-contact drills help. They give the practitioner the skills necessary to 'adapt' and 'overcome,' but without the 'perfect attack' in their mind, it will merely be a series of attacks and counter-attacks. A sparring match. A mix of both creates a person who can visualize perfect attacks, and then provide the opportunities for such to occur, by switching and switching and switching, until sooner or later, the perfect attack completes the conflict. "When you are able to take the keys from my hand, you will be ready to drive." - Shaolin DMV TestIntro
Fat Donkey Posted June 7, 2004 Posted June 7, 2004 Yeah, but warlock, when it comes to fighting, theres very little time to think, u react. It is the muscle memory which is going to determine your defense and counters. U have more choice in your attacks but if your being fluid with combos again its muscle memory. So while I disagree with your visualization concept, I do agree with the continuos practice of techniques because your programming your body to do these techniques when u don't have time to think. I believe in not visualising anything, except victory. I have to remain completely open and not let pre-conceived ideas lead me into a losing strategy. No mind! Donkey
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