Stop me if im wrong

[Mart]

Ive a read many posts of this vs that. The arguments go backwards and forwards and people give examples f fight theyve seen etc.

 

Now, stop me if im wrong but surely the easiest way to think these things through is to look at them more sceintifically.

 

For example the Does size matter? thread, heres how i look at it.

 

take myself , imagine i clone myself, make the clone 1 foot taller.

 

make them fight each other who would win?

 

See what you guys always do is throw in all these other factors.

 

But to truly test you have to do some reasoning in your mind.

 

You could do the same for style.

 

take someone yo know that doesn do any MA. Imagine you clone them and send them to learn different styles with extatly the same level of training and the same instructor.

 

now make them fight.

 

Now i know you have to do this in your head but i think you can work out the answers to what are often some very simple questions in this way. Of course if you are biased in your head then you wont get the right answer.

 

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[WolverineGuy]

In a fight, everything matters. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Any variable can mean the difference. However, it doesn't ALWAYS mean the difference.

 

Me vs. untrained big guy. I'd give myself the edge.

 

Me vs. big guy that has a moderate amount of experience...big guy has a lot going for him, and I've gotta be on my game to come out on top.

 

Several things factor into these sorts of situations, and all must be taken into account on a case by case basis.

[tufrthanu]

Here's the fault in your logic Mart...The world is not made up of clones. There may be only one guy out there that can do a triple wrist bend throw, if no one else can do it but he does it as second nature it makes it perfect for him. So even if you took clones of someone else and it never worked for them that doesn't negate the effectiveness of the art for him.

[telsun]

Mart from the posts of yours that I have read you do seem biased.....

 

Unless you have in depth knowledge of all the arts that are compared how can you compare?

 

The comparing of styles i.e "Will Muay Thai beat Tai-chi?" is extremely juvenile and naive.

[ramymensa]

It's childish, still half of the threads started here are x art vs. y art

[Mart]

Mart from the posts of yours that I have read you do seem biased.....

 

Unless you have in depth knowledge of all the arts that are compared how can you compare?

 

The comparing of styles i.e "Will Muay Thai beat Tai-chi?" is extremely juvenile and naive.

 

WHAT?

 

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Regarding the size thing, you have to veiw it this way if you are asking if the size of your opponent matters. I know there are other factors but if you looking at the size of your opponent then thats what you should talk about.

[Drunken Monkey]

hehe, the thing is if you make a taller clone a lot of other factors automatically come into play.

 

taller means, heavier, which means he needs to do more work to get the same effect (in terms of real energy expenditure i.e heavier limbs).

 

also, increased height=longer arms which means slightly longer distance for the brain to send and receive signals to/from.

 

sorry.

 

couldn't help picking....

[Mart]

Yes those factors are part of beign bigger butthings like changing tactics are not. you need to look at the advantages and disadvantages of each and weigh them against each other. Why is you all fail to miss the point it cant be made any clearer, Im not talking about style vs style im talking about the futility of discussing comparing any two things if there are so many outside factors. Im agreeing wit you all but you all seem to have difficulty reading so i will try from now on to write in a more simple manner as i knoow it has been pointed out to me that there are many minors on the forum. And as well all know minors arent very intelligent as its dark underground and they cant read much down there

[Treebranch]

Experience goes a long way.

[White Warlock]

Im agreeing wit you all but you all seem to have difficulty reading so i will try from now on to write in a more simple manner as i knoow it has been pointed out to me that there are many minors on the forum

It's not simplicity, it's clarity that you need to work on.

 

I'm a heavy reader, but i often struggle with the way you sometimes present your arguments. For example, your starting post and then this post i'm responding to. The 'format' of your starting post is 'non-standard,' thereby forcing people to adjust to a one-liner structure in a discussion board that is more applicable to a chat board. Also, you undermine your post by ending it with something like, "blah blah blah."

 

In the post i'm responding to, you squish all your thoughts into one paragraph, some of which deserve independent paragraphs and independent smileys so people don't take offense. Unfortunately, instead, you include one smiley at the end of the paragraph, confusing the reader.

 

Just some thoughts from a writer to help you along.

hehe, the thing is if you make a taller clone a lot of other factors automatically come into play.

 

taller means, heavier, which means he needs to do more work to get the same effect (in terms of real energy expenditure i.e heavier limbs).

 

also, increased height=longer arms which means slightly longer distance for the brain to send and receive signals to/from.

Not to mention those with longer arms must also contend with higher torque and longer muscles (weaker). Bigger isn't necessarily better, just different.

Since i did TKD and MT and I know how I fight i know that if my tkd clone didn't knock mt clone out with the first big kick my tkd clone would be clinched and eating knees to the face. My hapkido clone might bite my mt clones ear off if he didn't get elbowed out and my judo clone might do okay if we went to the ground but MT clone would be the most dangerous and toughest.

There are still many variables you aren't considering FD. How you trained and who trained you are major factors. Also, many people do not have multiple systems under their belt, or have only had 'limited' exposure to one or another system, so their ability to gauge one system against another is, as well, limited. And then there's the issue of circumstances. Under what circumstances would one system be more applicable, or more effective?

 

Considering all this, as annoying and juvenile as comparative discussions may seem to be, they do serve a purpose, in that of providing an opportunity to discuss the strengths and weaknesses 'inherent' in various systems, irregardless of training regimen or instruction, with those who 'do' have expertise in said systems.

 

Oh, and although i've always held a degree of "pfft" for tkd, i must admit that if my clone had spent these many years studying tkd, i might just have a problem in a one-on-one, especially if my clone thinks like me.

 

The thing is... if he thought like me, he wouldn't have studied tkd, or at least not 'just' tkd. Cloning, for these examples, must also consider the mental aspect... the way a person thinks. After all, martial arts is mostly mental, right?