90% of all fights end up on the ground?

[unknown]

i do jiu jitsu along side my kickboxing training and we do extensive grappling from throws to the ground.

 

ground fighting is extremely important to learn if you want to learn how to fight/defend yourself because your jump spinning hook kick isnt gonna help you when sombody has you in a top mount and is punching you in the face repeatedly.

[Mart]

lol, true

[Drunken Monkey]

but who ever said that they will do a jumping spinning hook kick in a fight?

 

you're little example of a 'useless' move is completely unfair in that it takes a move that is not intended for the ground and then placing it in the situation of being mounted.

 

i can just as easily say that you will never get me in a mount cos i'd knock you out before you can even try.

 

or

 

your mount is kinda useless when you have my foot planted on your face from your shooting in.

 

see?

 

it isn't hard to make up situations in which someone's style is useless.

 

and don't say that if the ground-fighter wants you on the ground he'd get you there.

 

from what i remember, sakuraba prevented royce from getting him on the ground quite a few times.

 

anyway.

 

just like to point out, one thing i keep seeing here is that some people talk about street/self defence and then use things that have happened in a ring fight as defence for their argument (see above).

 

drag one hundred people off from the street and see how many of them fight like the guys you see in the ufc/nhb/pride/K1/etc.

[humblecanadiangojuguy]

I don't agree that 9 out of ten fights end up on the ground. I would say this, 9 out of ten times in a fight one guy ends up on the ground. Grappling is very very important, but it is not everything, not even close. I do karate and mma both have their strong points and weak points as all MA do. If you want to fight you have to be able to grapple and strike.

[White Warlock]

I've been in plenty of situations, real, competition, and friendly spar, where i ended up on the ground. The thing is, i extricated myself from the situation, leaving the opponent still on the ground... and me standing up. Aiming to bring someone to the ground, and hoping to end it there... if that's the end-all of your fighting strategy, expect to be surprised when you find someone like me. Someone who doesn't 'stay' down if he doesn't want to.

 

Something to think about.

[Draven Chen Zhen]

OFFTOPIC :

Carolyn Burnham: This is a four thousand dollar sofa upholstered in Italian silk. It is not just a couch.

 

Lester Burnham: IT'S JUST A COUCH!

 

Mart your quote isn't it from the movie American Beauty?

[tufrthanu]

First off I would like to say I hesitated from replying to this post because I hate this statistic. Second someone has done research on street fights and the article was in Black Belt Magazine like 2 months ago. He had statistics for fights that go to the ground, 2 on 1 fights and so on and so forth.

 

Okay now to what I have to say. If you consider all fights in which someone is accidently knocked over, or knocked out, or taken down you may be justified in thinking 90% end that way. However, most people who are trained are not going to get knocked down accidently, and are more likely to avoid being knocked out. In my personal experience the two most utilized techniques in a street fight are a hook punch and a simple tackle. Both of these are easily avoided if you know that there is a high probability they will be used.

 

The problem most people have when thinking of defending against a tackle or shoot is that they want to knee or kick the person in the head. This is a bad idea. This puts you on one leg. If for any reason your striking limb is trapped your odds of being tipped over increase by a substantial amount. When avoiding a tackle or shoot and you do not want to go to the ground you are much better off using your feet to maneuver and your hands to strike and/or fend off the attacker.

 

My legs do not go very high so I usually only kick to the body and not the head anyhow, however, in a street altercation you shouldn't kick higher than the torso anyway. Good times to use kicks to the torso are when being punched. For instance, someone punches to your head, you step to the outside and pull their arm hard will performing a round kick to the stomach. Otherwise best bets for kicking in a street fight are to the knees, groin, instep, and the front/inside of the shin.

 

Another fallacy I see is that because someone CAN kick high they CAN'T kick low. Which is absurd. If you can kick to waist height or higher with power you will be that much more devastating below the belt, as well as having even more targets to shoot for. Also, remember that the opposing hand or objects such as chairs, walls, and things like canes can all be used for a second point of balance.

 

The most important thing overall in a self defense situation is not whether or not most fights go to the ground but your plan for getting off the ground should you end up there. Various kicks will work to keep an attacker at bay while you retain your feet such as side kick, front kick and front thrust kick. Also, if the person is clinching or mounting you while on the ground do not for get to poke eyes, grab testicles, break their fingers and strike to their throat. Even if you are someone who has extensive experience with fighting on the ground your goal should be to get back to your feet as it is very hard to run away while rolling around on the ground.

 

Just my 2 cents...er 200 dollars worth.

[kempocos]

this came from the GRACIES BJJ and it came from stats provided by the LA Police dept. The issue is that cops always take you down to cuff you when struggling. The Gracies always take the fight to the ground because that is thier style.

 

Fact is you need striking , grappling and ground skills to call your self a MA. To say you do not need all is being stupid.

[Treebranch]

90% of my fights didn't end up on the ground, but I still think ground skills are very important. I think those statistics came from the jails when inmates got into it with eachother. I didn't see many fights going to the ground in my neighborhood. Going to the ground was a good way of getting stomped by the buddies of the other guy. Then if that happened you had a group of dummies fighting in the streets.

[White Warlock]

Quoting myself -

I truly doubt anyone has actually gone out and performed a viable collation of data on streetfights, and thus been able to come up with such a silly statistic.