The Final Say: GRAPPLING VS STRIKING

[SevenStar]

another thing is awreness - FEELING yourself being cut. I have several acquaintances who have been cut in fights...NONE of them even knew they were being cut! In the adrenaline rush and chaos, they couldn't feel the slashes. I'm sure they would feel a stab, but the slashes felt like nothing more than fingernails. Some didn't notice the blood (tunnel vision) and others, just figured that they were both bloody from getting hit in the nose or something.

[Treebranch]

If your acquaintances are alive to tell you than the persons with the knives were not trained with knife. SevenStar you seem like you have some good experience in MA's. Just imagine you have a knive and the other person doesn't know it's there. You get into the clinch and instead of doing a hip throw by grabbing the persons clothing, you knife hand goes right into his armpit and then you throw him. Know he's down and you've cut the brachial artery and you have control of him. The next cut his to the carotid artery that runs in between the trachia and the sternomastoid muscle. He's dead. Most people who would bring a knife out and swing it around don't know how to use it. Someone that knows how to use a knife won't present it to you first.

[White Warlock]

Agreed Tree, although i recall someone else in this community arguing otherwise.

[Drunken Monkey]

what? you mean you don't wave the knife about like a crazed lunatic?

[SevenStar]

I completely agree. Most encounters will be with untrained assailants. In the examples I was citing, htese untrained assailants provided a new threat - the fact that these people were being cut and didn't know. They consequently continued to fight, leaving them with some pretty nasty scars.

[sansoouser]

My prefered martial art of choice for the street is

 

Quick Draw, where you see how fast you can pull your pistol out.

[Red Triangle student]

I think you are right in saying that it would be best in learning how to grapple and strike. When you said the part about killing your opponent in one hit, I do not think that is entirely the right thing to do. I mean I may be a softy, but I wouldn't want to KILL my opponent. I would rather knock him out.

 

Moving on though, I think that the Philosophical Bruce Lee saying is very accurate in the way it describes fighting in general. As it says "Water can also crash" that is the striking power but it also says water can grapple.

 

I think that the old argument between grappling and striking is all just people protecting what they believe they should do in an argument. Common sense would tell you that Grappling and Striking are both very useful. That is why Karate is a good thing to study.

[sansoouser]

I don't really like the one strike finishing move.

 

Alot of people think that's all they need, but most people don't have that kind of power to do that. And if that's how they plan to attack, then good luck to ya m8.

 

Mas Oyama as they've stated here, did use this, but he also trained for 3 years perfecting it. It's possible but it will take alot of work and time.

 

Like it or not, some people are just born with power.

 

I don't really think the one strike works either, if you watch boxing, UFC, pride, k-1, or NHB fights no one has ever that I have seen thrown one punch and knocked the guy out. Even in the ones without gloves. I just think it's impractical.

[White Warlock]

Moving on though, I think that the Philosophical Bruce Lee saying is very accurate in the way it describes fighting in general. As it says "Water can also crash" that is the striking power but it also says water can grapple.

It can also run down your leg, when put to the test.

 

Bruce's analogies were cute, fine and dandy, but i've never really been keen with them. We aren't water, despite assertions arguing otherwise. Although we may be able to 'mentally' approach things as if we were water, our bodies are solid-based. We're more like a carton of milk if stiff, and a bag of ice cubes if flexible.

 

See how cute analogies are?

[Drunken Monkey]

and they were also 'stolen' from confucius's books without credit.....

 

and to an extent, taken out of context.

 

(confucius was more about behaviour as opposed to physical qualities)