Kyokushin vs Other Karate Styles. Cold Hard Facts!!!!!

[Dark Shogun]

Y2 sub,

Many of those great moves you see in kata will not work in the ring due the rules. They will work in the street if you practice them.

In order to practice these kinds of moves, we use kata. Why? Because thoses kinds of techniques can not be practices freely against a resisting oponent because the oponent will be seriously hurt. And we don't want ot hurt our fellow training partners. These movements we designed to cause terrible injury to the human bady and that's exacly what they will do if you full employ them, practice or street. So how do we practice these thechniques and not cause terrible injuries to our traing partners? We use kata. This is somthing kata can give you that slugging it out in a ring can not.

Hitting hard and taking hard hits is best practived through hard kumite. Kata does little to develop this.

So you see, kumite = increased power and conditioning. Kata = improved techique. Both have their uses and some styles lean more towards one than the other. It's important tho not to lean too far towards one.

[y2_sub]

Dark shogun

I never said Kata is useless , i agree with you that lots of great techniques can be tought using kata , stances , strikes , etc....

Kata is also great in building spirit , but , are all kata moves usefull ??? you can extract 50% of kata moves that are really effective , and the rest is a showoff , usefull moves are the moves used also in kihon , by that i don't mean the kihon we do for tournaments , i mean all basics ..

any way , you must agree with me that there are some unrealistic kata moves , think about it ..

can you please tell me about goju ryu ??? i need some infos for a little research i am doing ..

[Dark Shogun]

y2_sub,

Kata is all basics applied different ways. The kata simply shows how they should look and feel when you practice them. However, you must apply the movements to another person to understand them. If you do not practice the applications in this way you will not understand the movements and they will look non-practical.

All kata moves can be effective but, some kata moves are effective for some users but not for others. It all depends on your preferences. No one person will find all techniques to be suited to them. When we practice, everyone practices all techniques because you do not know if a technique is suited to you until you practice it.

Any given movement in a kata may be unsuited to you but well suited to people who prefer that kind of technique. There are certainly kata movements which I would never use becasue I am not suited to those movements yet I've seen other practitioners pull the same movements off quite well.

So what looks fancy and not practical to you may look quite practical to someone else and vise versa.

As for info on Goju Ryu, our web site has some information on Okinawan Goju Ryu history, list of kata, goju philosophy.

https://www.rembuden.com.au

There's a lot of Goju Ryu on the internet tho and some knowledgeable people on the 'karate' section of the forum.

Also try https://www.gojuforums.com

[y2_sub]

All i am saying is there are some moves in kata that where suitable in the past , not in hour days , i don't mean they are not usefull at all , if you train 12 hours per day 7 days per week , you will get to do them right and "break thorow opponents estomach with your bear hands " .. but who is doing so actually ? when i say so to my sensei (about kata) he says : give me 10 push ups , quick !!!! anyhow i still belive in it ..

Thx a lot for the websites , i allready know about goju ryu's history , i needed a student's opinion osu ...

[Dark Shogun]

True, some of the more complicated kata movements take more time to master than punching and kicking, I guess it depends on what you spend more time on. It all mixes in well tho.

I'm happy to help out with any Goju Ryu questions you may have. Good luck with the research.

[y2_sub]

Thx a lot ..

I allready know that Goju Ryu prefers realistic approches , i want to know more about tournaments , not rules , i mean what you feel is right and wrong in the fighting system , and i have never been in a Goju class so i want to know what happens within the walls of the dojo , is it lik typical shotokan class ??? it sure has differances , you know..

[Dark Shogun]

I have trained in Shito Ryu, Shukokai, Shotokan karate styles in addition to Goju Ryu.

In Goju Ryu we concerntrate more on breaking kata down to applications or bunkai which we pratice with a partner. We don't enter tournaments becasue the point of kata is to understand it, having someone watch a judge the appearance of your kata and not knowing what you know about bunkai is pointless. We don't often do kimite but when we do we try to have as few rules/limitations as possible, anything goes as long as we don't seriously hurt our partners. No points are scored and usually no winner is declaired. The goal is not so much to win as it is to improve.

I found this to be in sharp contrast to Shotokan. In Shotokan we basicly just practiced the solo kata until we could do it well enough for a gradings or tournaments(those deep Shotokan stances really impress the judges). We did alot of point kumite and associated drills.

Shito Ryu, I found fell somewhere between the two. If there was a tournament comming up we would do a lot of kimite and work on our more impressive kata. Otherwise we did self defence training and some weapons.

Shukokai (which come from Shito Ryu) was much the same as Shito Ryu but leaned a littel more towards competition.

Otherwise the classes seemed to be similar in length, bow in, warm up, uniform, terminology etc.

[y2_sub]

That was a valuble post , it cleared a lot of points , i guess you never know enough about something unless you do it or ask someone who allready done it , by the way i have been informed that Goju ryu students participate in shotokan style tournaments , do u know anything about it ???

[AnonymousOne]

All i am saying is there are some moves in kata that where suitable in the past , not in hour days

Do people punch differently today?

Do people kick differently today?

Did people in the past have more or less arms and legs than we do today?

Exactly how its it different?

[y2_sub]

All i am saying is there are some moves in kata that where suitable in the past , not in hour days

Do people punch differently today?

Do people kick differently today?

Did people in the past have more or less arms and legs than we do today?

Exactly how its it different?

No . people had arms and legs and even they had eyes and hair like today , they didn't have computers thow

the thing that they had and we don't is the determination , i mean , practicing moves whenever they can , in temples ( prists ), in their daily life , going to dojo or temple or what ever they go to EVERY SINGLE DAY , etc...

The nutrition was different , they used to eat healthy food , do we ??

There way of life was different , they used to work in farming , mining , in army , we work in front of a computer monitor doing nothing else than hitting a keyboard ..

Plus , martial arts where really martial arts that are used in combat or for defending themselves , so they had to be extremly good , cause there lives depended on it , what we do know is much like a martial sport rather than a martial art , you and i believe in martial arts effectiveness , they actually applied that " effectiveness" in thier daily life , so if i can't kill someone from a hand knife which is practiced in kata , they have done it