Shorinryu Sensei Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 Pinan's here. I've seen the Japanese versions numerous times of them (Heians) from various systems and although similar in looks often times, the execution of the techniques, stances and bunkai of many (most?) of the movements can be quite a bit different. I'm from the old school of thought and the versions of the Pinans, and all of our kata's actually, that we do are the oldest versions that we can find. Essentially, we're actually trying to go backwards to the old ways, instead of forwards to the "new and improved" ways as much as possible...which is what I prefer. My nightly prayer..."Please, just let me win that PowerBall Jackpot just once. I'll prove to you that it won't change me!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
returning_wave Posted May 3, 2004 Share Posted May 3, 2004 I actually would say the opposite: altohugh the pinan and heians look different their applciations (arguably what defines a kata) are essentially identical. when a wado-ryu practitioner does a pinan shuto-uke he implies the same attack as a shotokan practioner doing it in heian. And i wouldnt call wado-ryu practioners 'shotokan offshoots' to their face 3rd Kyu - Variant ShotokanTaijutsu"We staunt traditionalists know that technique is nowhere near as important as having your pleats straight when you die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trekmann Posted May 7, 2004 Share Posted May 7, 2004 In Taikudo they are named Heian kata's The strongest principle in human growth lies in human choice (Alexander Chase). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeymagic Posted May 9, 2004 Share Posted May 9, 2004 Pinan - ichi, ni, san, yan, go at seki-juku 'Karate is a set of beliefs and practices that are never grasped in their totality and that generate more knowledge and more practices' Krug (2001) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramymensa Posted May 10, 2004 Share Posted May 10, 2004 Pinan - ichi, ni, san, yan, go at seki-juku Heian ichidan? perhaps SHOdan ... And it's YONdan (at least in my dojo) World Shotokan Karate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arny Posted May 12, 2004 Share Posted May 12, 2004 we do heians stiker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sico Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 AFAIK Funakoshi's son Yoshitaka is suspected to have altered the Pinan kata to include back stances instead of cat stances, and side kicks instead of groin kicks for the modern Heians? I'm not sure about that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted May 13, 2004 Share Posted May 13, 2004 We call them Pinan (Wado Ryu). For some reason, we start with Pinan Nidan. (I think because its the shortest, and easiest for beginners to pick up). "They can because they think they can." - School Motto.(Shodan 11th Oct 08) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beka Posted May 14, 2004 Share Posted May 14, 2004 We have Pinans. I don't know how many we use. At least 3, maybe 5. I have only learned Pinan 1. Cuong Nhu is a hybrid, so we take what we like. ha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aefibird Posted May 14, 2004 Author Share Posted May 14, 2004 Beka, how important is kata/forms in Cuong Nhu? From how you've described it in earlier posts it sounds like a great system - I only wish there was a school near me so I could check it out. "Was it really worth it? Only time and death may ever tell..." The Beautiful South - The Rose of My CologneSheffield Steelers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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