Heian/Pinan

[Shorinryu Sensei]

Pinan's here. I've seen the Japanese versions numerous times of them (Heians) from various systems and although similar in looks often times, the execution of the techniques, stances and bunkai of many (most?) of the movements can be quite a bit different.

 

I'm from the old school of thought and the versions of the Pinans, and all of our kata's actually, that we do are the oldest versions that we can find. Essentially, we're actually trying to go backwards to the old ways, instead of forwards to the "new and improved" ways as much as possible...which is what I prefer.

[returning_wave]

I actually would say the opposite: altohugh the pinan and heians look different their applciations (arguably what defines a kata) are essentially identical. when a wado-ryu practitioner does a pinan shuto-uke he implies the same attack as a shotokan practioner doing it in heian.

 

And i wouldnt call wado-ryu practioners 'shotokan offshoots' to their face

[trekmann]

In Taikudo they are named Heian kata's

[Monkeymagic]

Pinan - ichi, ni, san, yan, go at seki-juku

 

[ramymensa]

Pinan - ichi, ni, san, yan, go at seki-juku

 

Heian ichidan? perhaps SHOdan ... And it's YONdan (at least in my dojo)

[arny]

we do heians

[Sico]

AFAIK Funakoshi's son Yoshitaka is suspected to have altered the Pinan kata to include back stances instead of cat stances, and side kicks instead of groin kicks for the modern Heians? I'm not sure about that though.

[Fish]

We call them Pinan (Wado Ryu). For some reason, we start with Pinan Nidan. (I think because its the shortest, and easiest for beginners to pick up).

[Beka]

We have Pinans. I don't know how many we use. At least 3, maybe 5. I have only learned Pinan 1. Cuong Nhu is a hybrid, so we take what we like. ha!

[aefibird]

Beka, how important is kata/forms in Cuong Nhu?

 

From how you've described it in earlier posts it sounds like a great system - I only wish there was a school near me so I could check it out.